The Saddest Thing About Brexit

[shaunbhoy]

and who would be doing it if cheap labour didn't come from Romania ?

The great unwashed.

Sorted

[milanbenes]

The great unwashed.

Sorted

they won't old chap, because they're all third generation UB40 with no intention of changing their's or their offspring's destiny

Milan.

[shaunbhoy]

they won't old chap, because they're all third generation UB40 with no intention of changing their's or their offspring's destiny

Milan.

Their "destiny" will be changed for them once the great benefits scam is cleaned up.

[woohoo]

and who would be doing it if cheap labour didn't come from Romania ?

you'd either have cheap labour from elsewhere, or dirty cars, I imagine the former.

This is not the EU's fault.

This is the government's fault.

Milan.

I clearly remember a group of lads where I lived got together and started up their business cleaning cars. They also had a nice place you could go to and eat whilst they valeted your car. Where there is a need people will fill it. Hopefully local lads/lasses getting experience of their first business.

[Pip in a Poke]

and who would be doing it if cheap labour didn't come from Romania ?

People from somewhere even more flyblown presumably

[chopper]

and who would be doing it if cheap labour didn't come from Romania ?

you'd either have cheap labour from elsewhere, or dirty cars, I imagine the former.

This is not the EU's fault.

This is the government's fault.

Milan.

Don't get me wrong, we need all the lettuce pickers and car washers we can get, and indeed the unskilled indigenous deadbeat would rather sit on their arses watching (or appearing on) Jeremy Kyle and Judge Rinder than go and wash cars. It tells you all you need to know about the disparity between the Eastern European economy and the North West European economy that they would rather come to Britain to wash our cars than remain in their home country. But EU freedom of movement of workers (and the word is workers, not people) means they get full entitlements.

For that to work, really, means that taxation and fiscal policy would be delegated to the EU, and that the welfare state would be paid for by the EU rather than individual nations. But we don't want that.

To control our borders means we can say "hey, lettuce picker, in you come" but if that means their family can immediately freeload off the back of that, then something is wrong. We have enough of our own freeloaders without importing more.

We don't just allow inward migration from the EU, we allow inward migration from anywhere, its just that inward migration from the EU is entirely uncontrolled. We don't have to be members of the EU in order to get needed workers in.

[milanbenes]

Don't get me wrong, we need all the lettuce pickers and car washers we can get, and indeed the unskilled indigenous deadbeat would rather sit on their arses watching (or appearing on) Jeremy Kyle and Judge Rinder than go and wash cars. It tells you all you need to know about the disparity between the Eastern European economy and the North West European economy that they would rather come to Britain to wash our cars than remain in their home country. But EU freedom of movement of workers (and the word is workers, not people) means they get full entitlements.

I think this is one of the keys to the government's Brexit blame everything on Europe con.

Try, as a Romanian, Brit, Swede, whatever, to go to Germany, or Austria, with your wife and children, and you work picking fruit and your wife gets benefits and you get housed.

It ain't happening, you will not get any benefits or entitlements in Germany and Austria if you just turn up one day with your family and find a job. Of course I am not counting political asylum here.

This generosity is the British government's fault and not Brussel's fault, but it's easier for the British government to blame Europe, than change their policies and suffer the ensuing arguments between the parties.

Anyway, as Sas says, you'll find out in a couple of years.

Milan.

[WTFH]

People from somewhere even more flyblown presumably

Given that over half the annual immigration is from outside the EU, we'll just end up with more of them instead. We'll have Mexican car washes and Indian plumbers...

[scooterscot]

So why do you have a problem with the UK which has already said it is happy to agree to residency rights now.

Why aren't you criticising the EU for not guaranteeing reciprocal rights? They are the ones holding things up, not the UK. You should be asking why they don't care about you when you have pledged your allegiance to them.

You do know a50 has not yet been triggered? Thicker than cold broth.

[scooterscot]

Do you not think it would be the EU throwing its toys out of the pram, trying to 'punish' Britain from leaving the EU.

We've basically told them that we would like a simpler trading relationship with them, but we don't want all the political bulltulip or to be part of the plans for a single country. You don't need to have a parliament, two parliament buildings, a supreme court, a national anthem, or a flag to achieve that. That is a huge unnecessary burden as part of a gravy train project to create a single country called Europe - you just don't need all of that. The European Court of Justice could be the European Trade Arbitration Service instead, and should have jurisdiction over trade related items.

The fact is we will already comply with all EU law and regulation, so that will be a significant hurdle already overcome. If we say to the EU "We'd like to continue to freely trade with you our goods, services and capital which already comply with European regulations" and they say "hey, no way" then who would be the ones throwing their toys out of the pram? I don't think it would be the British.

It just seems wrong, to me, that some Romanian guy can come over here to wash our cars or pick our lettuces, but not earn enough to pay any tax into the system. Yet he can bring his non-working wife and five kids over and get free access to our health services and our schools, and child benefits which even many British people don't even qualify for.

The fact is that Britain has always been a fly in the EU ointment, we've always been a bit of an outsider in that respect, and have been holding their big project back. They are free to create a single European army and centralise national decision making to a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels without Britain holding them back.

If everything you said were true then why for the love of the tooth fairy did we sign the Maastricht Treaty? Did Major have a gun on his head? No. Did the voting public vote for him? No. Just like Mayhem. If we wanted simple we would not have signed. Two faced double dealing Tories have got you all sowed to the point you'd blame the weather before you do them.

It speaks volumes that an unelected Tory PM is set once again is to change our constitutional arrangement with out closest trading parters.

A general election should have been called before Cameron resigned.