So what happens if there's a terrible deal at the end of negotiations?

[darmstadt]

Unless they are stockpiling dimwits of course.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post2353881

[sasguru]

It's difficult to see why they'd give us one.

Completely agree with that.

[BlasterBates]

It's difficult to see why they'd give us one. But, let's assume that Barnier et al. are really worried about financial stability and access to the City. What could May accept? She's already said that the jurisdiction of the ECJ should end after the two-year period and has rejected EEA/EFTA, even on an interim basis. To answer your question, I don't know what that leaves. Davis was at the dispatch box today and described it as a series of implementation phases for specific measures whose timing/length could vary. It sounds like some sort of complicated/bespoke approach that is sector/measure specific and targeted towards financial stability. I would guess, for example, to allow equivalence to (partially) replace financial passporting, for a customs agreement to (partially) replace the CU in specific sectors, and other details like that. Definitely not some grand bargain, like EEA/EFTA, which would be politically unacceptable to both sides.

Let me give you a hint

May's speech

From that point onwards, we believe a phased process of implementation, in which both Britain and the EU institutions and member states prepare for the new arrangements that will exist between us will be in our mutual self-interest.

This might be about our immigration controls

In other words immigration control will be different during the transitionary phase than it will be after it.

In what way do you think immigration control will be different from the final deal ?

[darmstadt]

Let me give you a hint

May's speech





In other words immigration control will be different during the transitionary phase than it will be after it.

In what way do you think immigration control will be different from the final deal ?

Well the signs will have to be changed

[jamesbrown]

Let me give you a hint

May's speech





In other words immigration control will be different during the transitionary phase than it will be after it.

In what way do you think immigration control will be different from the final deal ?

She has ruled out EEA/EFTA and the ECJ, specifically, at the end of the A50 process, so what do you think that leaves? The implementation of an ESTA-like system, most likely. You're seeing EEA, and I'm seeing changes to IT systems. It's interesting that she mentioned IT systems to the Liason Committee, don't you think? Again, we'll see who's right, but my Mystic Meg foo seems to be superior so far.

[darmstadt]

She has ruled out EEA/EFTA and the ECJ, specifically, at the end of the A50 process, so what do you think that leaves? The implementation of an ESTA-like system, most likely. You're seeing EEA, and I'm seeing changes to IT systems. It's interesting that she mentioned IT systems to the Liason Committee, don't you think? Again, we'll see who's right, but my Mystic Meg foo seems to be superior so far.

So basically isolation then?

[Flashman]

Meanwhile in Deutschland today ...



Gott in himmel. Wir sind gef*ckt

[jamesbrown]

So basically isolation then?

Sure, in the same way that ESTA completely killed travel to the US, what with it being so horrendously complicated and prohibitively expensive.

[AtW]

So basically isolation then?

No, not at all, that's basically that Global Great Britain that May was promising...

[AtW]

Sure, in the same way that ESTA completely killed travel to the US, what with it being so horrendously complicated and prohibitively expensive.

+1

It's much better than getting full visa, however that ain't visa waiver thing, this is effectively "visa light", you need to do it well in advance also, so nevermind buying the morning cheap tickets to visit Paris and going there same day...