“I think I’d better leave now."

[AtW]

There is an opportunity to guarantee a formal of residency for ALL expats from all EU countries. NOW.

The UK is offering a deal but the EU is saying no.

Why doesn't it want security for its people? Surely they deserve to know their position.

I would expect the EU to put people before its moronic, socialist and federalist ideals.

Pathetic.

EU says no because this is the matter they will discuss only if iArticle 50 is triggered, until then it's waste of their time.

I give EU A+ so far for their strategy

P.S. Obviously UK will be forced to give residence to 3 mln EU citizens, thats a given

[vetran]

EU says no because this is the matter they will discuss only if Article 50 is triggered, until then it's waste of their time.

and they wonder why people voted to leave.

[AtW]

and they wonder why people voted to leave.

They want UK out. They've had enough of this tulip, so they will maker example of UK and benefit from investment that will skip UK for decades to come

The only thing they wonder is how stupid May should be to use old hostage strategy when the hostage now is dead.

[GB9]

EU says no because this is the matter they will discuss only if iArticle 50 is triggered, until then it's waste of their time.

I give EU A+ so far for their strategy

P.S. Obviously UK will be forced to give residence to 3 mln EU citizens, thats a given

So on one hand they expect us to guarantee EU people residency rights in the UK but they won't do likewise until we trigger a50? As I said, they don't give two Tulipe about their clones. They are just collateral damage.

And the UK won't be forced to do anything by the crumbling federation.

The UK wants to give rights to all EU people here but needs reciprocation. The EU Commission doesn't care about the clones.

[AtW]

So on one hand they expect us to guarantee EU people residency rights in the UK but they won't do likewise until we trigger a50? As I said, they don't give two Tulipe about their clones. They are just collateral damage.

And the UK won't be forced to do anything by the crumbling federation.

The UK wants to give rights to all EU people here but needs reciprocation. The EU Commission doesn't care about the clones.

Well UK started this tulip, it wasn't EU that voted to kick UK out.

So now UK will have to rely on good will of many EU members not just for exit, but also for the future to influence laws passed by EU by virtue of having friends. Therefore it makes perfect sense to do gesture of good will and offer gurantees to EU citizens living in UK - it's cheap because UK will have to do it anyway, no point, stupid and downright offensive to use them as hostages

Making Brexit a success isn't even possible (days of offshore tax heavens are gone and too many people in UK for it anyway), only super competent people got a chance to minimise damage from Brexit, but it turns out that the lunatics are running the show, this can only end in Shakespearian tradegy

[AtW]

and they wonder why people voted to leave.

I can see only one real valid reason for leaving - dealing with immigration that got out of hand, the solution to this was taking hardline on benefits and proper border policing - it's not like UK got thousand of miles of land border with Mexico

[GB9]

Well UK started this tulip, it wasn't EU that voted to kick UK out.

So now UK will have to rely on good will of many EU members not just for exit, but also for the future to influence laws passed by EU by virtue of having friends. Therefore it makes perfect sense to do gesture of good will and offer gurantees to EU citizens living in UK - it's cheap because UK will have to do it anyway, no point, stupid and downright offensive to use them as hostages

Making Brexit a success isn't even possible (days of offshore tax heavens are gone and too many people in UK for it anyway), only super competent people got a chance to minimise damage from Brexit, but it turns out that the lunatics are running the show, this can only end in Shakespearian tradegy

So us wanting to leave justifies the EU treating its clones as dirt does it?

And we didn't 'start'. We voted to leave the circumstances we didn't vote to get in to in the first place.

Why we would make a massive gesture without reciprocation is beyond me. I can only assume the EU declined the offer as it wants to use UK people as pawns.

[NickFitz]

The UK is offering a deal but the EU is saying no.

UK: "We want something for nothing."

EU: "No."

Got to say, the UK didn't start from a very strong negotiating position there

[VectraMan]

This story seems to me like children throwing a tantrum because they can't have any sweets even though the sweet shop isn't open yet.

As if the whole "enemies of the people" debacle wasn't ridiculous enough.

[sasguru]

If we were rich and powerful (like the Brexiters wrongly assumed because they can't do simple maths ) we could demand things.
The reality is that economically we are weak, we don't make enough things to trade, we are in huge debt, we're running 2 huge deficits and our largest industry, finance, on which we depend, is dependent on passporting.

It's a clusterfook, and like AtW says, we don't have the quality of leader to get us out of the bind you stupid Brexiters have put us in.