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IndyRef2 : This time it's war!

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    Originally posted by The_Equalizer View Post
    And that's going to cover the 9% shortful in GDP?

    You and I know this is an anti-English thing. If the UK was so bad you'd have similar movements in Wales and Northern Ireland. It's a cult-like obsession.

    Like everthing in life some ideas would work and some wouldn't. It's just the bits that didn't would wreck Scotland. Everyone knows of two such events even in the last decade; RBS in 2008 and the collapse in oil price recently. Why not just get on with governing with the vast powers the SNP have? Probably because it'll show the SNP's faults.
    Again, if we have a shortfall that's because we have been mismanaged by Westminster.

    It's rubbish that this is anti-English. It's all about being independent like any other country can be. There are many English members of the SNP and some are even MSPs. Deputy leader Angus Roberston was born in England to Scottish/German parents. The Independence movement is more than just the SNP so your argument doesn't hold water.

    RBS are only headquartered in Edinburgh, the main business that caused the problems were in the City of London with the traders.

    Oil price is on it's way back up and more oil has been discovered. We're the only country that sees oil as a curse FFS.

    We don't have vast powers and we were promised the closest thing to home rule you can have. That was all reneged on and people who can remember 1979 knew that. The younger ones will know next time not to trust any promises.

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      Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
      The fact that as a small insignificant member of the EU (always assuming you can grovel your way to the foot of their table!) you will be told what to do by the European Commission and will have even less rights than you currently do under Westminster.

      HTH
      Fine. Let us go and see who is better off after independence.

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        Originally posted by Batcher View Post
        It's rubbish that this is anti-English. It's all about being independent like any other country can be.
        FWIW, I find it difficult to argue with that. I don't think you'd have a majority now, as then, and I don't think it would work out well for either Scotland or the RUK. I think it's unlikely that an independent Scotland would meet the requirements for EU membership, given its fiscal position and the lack of clarity over currency (certainly, keeping the pound would not be compatible with EU membership). Also, I really can't see the argument about the tyranny of the UK over the EU. All that said, it would be rather hypocritical as a Brexit voter to deny you a similar desire for independence. And the upside would be a lot less whining from the bloody nationalists

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          Originally posted by vetran View Post
          The BBC have apologised

          https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...icola-sturgeon

          But the gorilla said there was really no need to
          His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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            Originally posted by Batcher View Post
            Fine. Let us go and see who is better off after independence.
            I know Scotland will be worse off, there is no doubt about it.
            I'm sure some of of SNP will do nicely out of it though.
            Still, I say go for it delude yourself about GDP and oil prices, I mean the economy doesn't matter right?
            The Chunt of Chunts.

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              Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post
              I know Scotland will be worse off, there is no doubt about it.
              I'm sure some of of SNP will do nicely out of it though.
              Still, I say go for it delude yourself about GDP and oil prices, I mean the economy doesn't matter right?
              Interestingly enough not to a socialist because they just spend everyone else's money

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                Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post
                I know Scotland will be worse off, there is no doubt about it.
                I'm sure some of of SNP will do nicely out of it though.
                Still, I say go for it delude yourself about GDP and oil prices, I mean the economy doesn't matter right?
                You are the deluded one. You believe the MSM that oil is of no use to us and that rUK will be better off without Scotland. If that was the case, why does Westminster keep hold of the troublesome Scots?

                You should take 5 minutes and listen to Jim Rogers of The Quantum Fund on Radio 4 this week - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMUPIsQjf4

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                  Originally posted by Batcher View Post
                  You are the deluded one. You believe the MSM that oil is of no use to us and that rUK will be better off without Scotland. If that was the case, why does Westminster keep hold of the troublesome Scots?

                  You should take 5 minutes and listen to Jim Rogers of The Quantum Fund on Radio 4 this week - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMUPIsQjf4
                  Is he more interesting than Captain J T Kirk Salmond?
                  "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                  I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                    Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
                    And the upside would be a lot less whining from the bloody nationalists
                    Right up to the point where they lost......AGAIN.....at which point they would be frantically looking around for ways to blame it all on Westminster and accusing the NO majority of having been duped/scared/too stupid to fully understand (delete as appropriate)

                    “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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                      Any chance we can have a Rest of the UK Scottish Independence referendum and just chuck them out instead?

                      Or would that lead to Scooter and Batcher whining about how we'd screwed Scotland over?
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