Bicycle Lorry deaths

[SueEllen]

Yeah foot came before wheel so at a basic subconscious level foot beats wheel

Or more likely the Green Cross Code adverts weren't seen by them due to their young or old age, or being brought up outside the UK.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

Still waiting for the actual text to back your assumption up but I will be waiting for ever because it is not what the code

Rule 182:

Turning left

182
Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view.

And more emphatically, 183:

183
When turning

keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable
give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.

Using the road - Road junctions (170 to 183) - The Highway Code

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

And a perfect example of the tulip driving you need to watch out for on the aforementioned CS2, with video:

Video: Driver left hooks cyclist on upgraded Cycle Superhighway | road.cc

[vetran]

And a perfect example of the tulip driving you need to watch out for on the aforementioned CS2, with video:

Video: Driver left hooks cyclist on upgraded Cycle Superhighway | road.cc

bloody Romanians coming over here and getting in the way of our crap drivers

there but for the grace of the spaghetti monster go all of us...

[vetran]

There is research like this linky and information like this linky which explains why you aren't seen when riding a bike. Motorcyclists are more aware of this as they are taught that people aren't looking out for them.

Oh and this is interesting as well linky

so its young female whippersnappers

Drivers % that failed to spot cyclists

Sat nav drivers 23.7
Non-sat nav drivers 19.0
Female drivers 25.6
Male drivers 17.1
Drivers aged 20-29 31.1
Drivers aged 30-39 20.7
Drivers aged 40-49 21.6
Drivers aged 50-59 20.9
All drivers 22.0

scary!


How many drivers cycle? And how many cyclists drive?

15% of full driving licence holders cycle more than twice a month; 18% cycle once a year to twice a month (ATT 0216);
Around 80% of cyclists hold a driving licence (DfT Press Release)

very interesting thanks!

[bobspud]

Rule 182:



And more emphatically, 183:



Using the road - Road junctions (170 to 183) - The Highway Code

Thank you for finding that might I now show you the rule that accompanies it:

Cycling highway code uk - The Highway Code

It clearly states that cyclists must not travel down the inside of a vehicle turning left...

Confusing isn't it?

So now to recap what is supposed to happen :

1) as a motorist I must not overtake a user of any protected lane when I am about to turn across it

2) as a motorist I must watch out for the bikes, buses or wheelchairs the are in the immediate area when I signal and begin the manoeuvre to turn left

However:

3) as a cyclist approaching the motorists car that is signaling to turn left you are now not permitted to undertake that car and must make adjustments to your course to avoid an accident.

[BrilloPad]

so its young female whippersnappers

Drivers % that failed to spot cyclists

Sat nav drivers 23.7
Non-sat nav drivers 19.0
Female drivers 25.6
Male drivers 17.1
Drivers aged 20-29 31.1
Drivers aged 30-39 20.7
Drivers aged 40-49 21.6
Drivers aged 50-59 20.9
All drivers 22.0

scary!


How many drivers cycle? And how many cyclists drive?

15% of full driving licence holders cycle more than twice a month; 18% cycle once a year to twice a month (ATT 0216);
Around 80% of cyclists hold a driving licence (DfT Press Release)

very interesting thanks!

Interesting!

It would be interesting to know the above figures for lorry drivers. And also what is "failed to spot"? Does it mean have ever not spotted? Maybe women are just more honest than men?

I have generally thought women drivers are less dangerous towards cyclists than men. Except elderly women - but then elderly men are as bad.

[SueEllen]

Interesting!

It would be interesting to know the above figures for lorry drivers. And also what is "failed to spot"? Does it mean have ever not spotted? Maybe women are just more honest than men?

I have generally thought women drivers are less dangerous towards cyclists than men. Except elderly women - but then elderly men are as bad.

"Less dangerous" simply means less likely to kill or seriously injure you. The other road stats around on women drivers and accidents back this up.

[vetran]

Interesting!

It would be interesting to know the above figures for lorry drivers. And also what is "failed to spot"? Does it mean have ever not spotted? Maybe women are just more honest than men?

I have generally thought women drivers are less dangerous towards cyclists than men. Except elderly women - but then elderly men are as bad.

I'm guessing that the young are less experienced and women suffer more from spatial awareness issues (studies support this). I did really expect testosterone driven accidents and for young men to be worse.

The lorry drivers details are in the link WTFH supplied and a couple of the other stories.

[LondonManc]

so its young female whippersnappers

Drivers % that failed to spot cyclists

Sat nav drivers 23.7
Non-sat nav drivers 19.0
Female drivers 25.6
Male drivers 17.1
Drivers aged 20-29 31.1
Drivers aged 30-39 20.7
Drivers aged 40-49 21.6
Drivers aged 50-59 20.9
All drivers 22.0

scary!


How many drivers cycle? And how many cyclists drive?

15% of full driving licence holders cycle more than twice a month; 18% cycle once a year to twice a month (ATT 0216);
Around 80% of cyclists hold a driving licence (DfT Press Release)

very interesting thanks!

The most interesting stat would be to see would be the split of accidents where cyclists are drivers or not.