Merged thread concerning attacks in Europe

[SpontaneousOrder]

Sorry, what is your solution?
"to speak of what it is" - do you have a translation into English for those of us who don't speak in riddles?
Rather than complaining about what everyone is doing wrong, what would you DO?

Who's this WTFH bell-end?

[SpontaneousOrder]

There's also reports he's called David and that he was shouting "bloody foreigners"

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...m--ZyxgPR9QH8b

Daoud.

[minestrone]

You know people can convert like the male [expletives] who massacred Lee Rigby?

Also keep calling people "them" and "others" and watch more young men raised in the UK attempt to blow us up and Daesh claim it.

Massacre means many people. The word them does not cause massacres.

[SpontaneousOrder]

You are wasting your time.

These people have fear of "others".

They are yet to work out these people live amongst us just like IRA bombers and sympathisers did.

'Living amongst us' is not the antithetical to "others'. When you see the Tiber foaming with much blood, you'll finally understand.

[minestrone]

Who's this WTFH bell-end?

We don't really know, he just appeared and starting annoying people.

[xoggoth]

You know people can convert like the male [expletives] who massacred Lee Rigby?

Indeed, they were another couple of angry minority men, which rather proves my point. I agree it is important to avoid painting entire groups as a problem, that just raises resentment against them, increases the difficulties they have in finding work and makes terrorism more likely.

However a PC pretence that no problem exists is making things worse. If riots, crime and terrorism among some ethnic groups is allowed to grow, so too will simmering resentment against them and eventually that will trigger a rise of the real far right.

We urgently need to improve the lot of poor performing minorities but we must also learn from past realities and stop making the situation worse by increasing their numbers.

[glebe digital]

Inneresting, out of the ordinary CUK comment there Mr Newbie. Historically the rise of capitalism, when lending became acceptable at the end of the middle ages, did see a rise in big conflicts. Before that it was difficult to afford wars. No doubt ISIS is funding itself in all sorts of ways, selling oil, plundered antiques and relics etc. Maybe we need to focus a lot more on who is buying them.

Thanks you Sir. The various buyers of ISIS goods are pretty well documented (Erdogan's son snapping up much of the cut-price oil, for instance). Trouble would always follow if the MSM actually followed the money because it would always lead back home; much better/easier to blame everything on rogue States & axe-happy refugees......not our problem, it's them 'others'.

Biggest joke or course, is that Capitalism is a beast with no head, so all the bombs in the world won't decapitate it (in fact just makes it stronger) as it all keeps the market fluctuating, which is the one thing that MUST HAPPEN AT ALL COSTS. Interesting that newspapers were born as Bourse sprang up all over the place? (no news, no market movements). Another bomb in Baghdad? It's all good.

[SueEllen]

Indeed, they were another couple of angry minority men, which rather proves my point. I agree it is important to avoid painting entire groups as a problem, that just raises resentment against them, increases the difficulties they have in finding work and makes terrorism more likely.

Their parents had no issue finding work like another terrorist I know a lot about. In fact this other terrorist's family especially father were local community pillars, and I don't mean in the sense of the terrorist's own ethnic group community but the local community at wide.

However a PC pretence that no problem exists is making things worse. If riots, crime and terrorism among some ethnic groups is allowed to grow, so too will simmering resentment against them and eventually that will trigger a rise of the real far right.

The issue is with young men in general - may be there needs to be a proper war to stop their blood thirstiness for destruction of others who have different beliefs to them including their own families.

Men I've met and know who have been in the armed forces or involved in conflict in their own countries as adults don't want more armed conflict even if they do end up hating particular nations. (Oddly they never hate the British as we are seen as "fair".)

We urgently need to improve the lot of poor performing minorities but we must also learn from past realities and stop making the situation worse by increasing their numbers.

British terrorists tend to be from middle class backgrounds, just like the ones in other European countries. If your entire family is poor you cannot pay to get to the next town let alone give money to various people smugglers to get to another European country.

[darmstadt]

That is simply not true. For starters multiple members of the Bataclan night Paris attack entered Europe disguised as refugees during Merkel's free-for-all and progressed through Germany to kill Germans on French soil. You are free to google it as no doubt whatever link I provide you will have an issue with.

This is the problem with recent events and public opinion, there is a mixture of journalists unable to understand the situation pumping out false information to people like yourself who don't understand the situation who regurgitate the false information they read.

According to the information that I have here for the Bataclan and related bombings none were actually coming from those countries but some used that route after training, however they were still homegrown so no actual new terrorists were using that route:

Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national
Brahim Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national
Omar Ismail Mostefai - French national born to Algerian parents

Bilal Hadfi - 20-year-old French national, born in France but raised in Belguim
Ahmad Al Mohammad - not too sure but suspected to be EU national
Samy Amimour - French national
Abdel Hamid Abaaoud - French
Hasna Aiboulahcen - French

[Mordac]

According to the information that I have here for the Bataclan and related bombings none were actually coming from those countries but some used that route after training, however they were still homegrown so no actual new terrorists were using that route:

Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national
Brahim Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national
Omar Ismail Mostefai - French national born to Algerian parents

Bilal Hadfi - 20-year-old French national, born in France but raised in Belguim
Ahmad Al Mohammad - not too sure but suspected to be EU national
Samy Amimour - French national
Abdel Hamid Abaaoud - French
Hasna Aiboulahcen - French

All you're really doing is proving that we're way too late dealing with these (expletives deleted). Who the hell does that help?