[Merged]Brexit stuff

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Oh dear

UK university applications from EU down by 9%, says Ucas

Dr Wendy Piatt, director general of the Russell Group, said the latest Ucas figures were broadly back in line with where they were in 2014. “While it is too early to know the reasons for the decline, we would be concerned if EU students were deterred from applying to our world-class universities because of Brexit.”

Seems like EU students are getting the message.

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UK economy grows 0.5% in three months after Brexit vote - BBC News

Three things.

1) Brexit has not happened yet.

2) Pound crash brings in more orders from abroad. RAW materials have to be bought from somewhere, consumer prices in the UK go up and return to normal for everyone outside the UK.

3) As a direct result of (2) your standard of living has just being dropped kicked into black adder goes third, perhaps forth.

[DodgyAgent]

The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.

Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.

then there are these:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7103031.html

Free movement of labour is enough of a loss of sovereignty on its own. Included in this "legislation" are all kinds of other associated "laws" that we have to abide by such as it is illegal to make EU doctors pass a language test prior to applying for a job in the NHS. Whereas it is perfectly OK to insist on such a test for non EU workers.

[LondonManc]

UK economy grows 0.5% in three months after Brexit vote - BBC News

[Old Greg]

The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.

Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.

The UK never gave up sovereignty on trade or freedom of movement, because the UK has always retained the power to leave the EU with a single act of the UK parliament.

This is a key difference from California (from example) which does not have sovereignty on freedom of movement because it cannot leave the USA without the agreement of the USA.

[BlasterBates]

There is a difference between giving away some sovereignty and giving it all away.

The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.

Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.

[DodgyAgent]

Westfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.

There is a difference between giving away some sovereignty and giving it all away.

[stek]

Westfalian Sovereignty isn't really workable in the modern world, no one is truly sovereign except possibly North Korea.

[NotAllThere]

But how could this possibly be true if the EUSSR is a superstate that has suppressed sovereign states?

The EUSSR simultaneously can impose it's will over sovereign nations, and is utterly powerless. It's probably quantum.

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And yet another reason why it'll be next to impossible for Turkey to join the EU. But according to the Wrexiters they'll be joining in a year or two.