[Merged]Brexit stuff

[Old Greg]

Boomed!

Nissan to build new models in Sunderland - BBC News

Well, that is welcome good news in these troubling times. I wonder if the government did offer any guarantees (genuine question).

Carlos Ghosn, Nissan chief executive, said government "support and assurances" allowed it to decide to make the two new cars in Sunderland.

The decision will secure 7,000 jobs.

Mr Ghosn said he welcomed prime minister Theresa May's "commitment to the automotive industry in Britain".

Last month he warned that Nissan may not invest in the Sunderland plant unless the government guaranteed compensation for costs related to any new trade tariffs resulting from Brexit.

[LondonManc]

Boomed!

Nissan to build new models in Sunderland - BBC News

Oops:

EU-Canada summit scrapped as Belgium blocks Ceta trade deal - BBC News

[Old Greg]

The UK has a veto in the so it doesn't blindly accept the rules laid down by everyone else, it agrees to the rules it wants to. We're not in the common European currency, or Schengen for example.

The European Court of Justice rules on treaties and agreements that the UK government have agreed to,

When the UK signs a new trade agreement all disputes will go to an international tribunal, which is the same thing as a court, where non-UK judges will sit and announce punitive action against the British government. So all that will happen is other courts will be deciding the fate of Britain. You get rid of the European Court of Justice and simply replace it with something similar.

Interestingly Australia are demanding access to the UK for their workers, so the UK is going to find if it closes it's borders to the EU it'll have to open them to other countries.

That will go down well won't it

We'll soon find out that the right-wing press doesn't mind certain types of immigrants so much. It's not really about the number of immigrants, more the colour of their skin, the language they speak and their religion.

[BlasterBates]

Selectively weak argument.

The ECHR has sod all to do with this whereas the ECJ is the ultimate court over EU matters. It's the latter we want rid of.

Any trade agreement reaches agreement (there's the clue) as to what rules will be followed. We won't just blindly agree to accepting rules set down by everyone else.

The UK has a veto in the so it doesn't blindly accept the rules laid down by everyone else, it agrees to the rules it wants to. We're not in the common European currency, or Schengen for example.

The European Court of Justice rules on treaties and agreements that the UK government have agreed to,

When the UK signs a new trade agreement all disputes will go to an international tribunal, which is the same thing as a court, where non-UK judges will sit and announce punitive action against the British government. So all that will happen is other courts will be deciding the fate of Britain. You get rid of the European Court of Justice and simply replace it with something similar.

Interestingly Australia are demanding access to the UK for their workers, so the UK is going to find if it closes it's borders to the EU it'll have to open them to other countries.

That will go down well won't it, and if it did sign an agreement and decide to shut it's borders it would find itself hauled up in front of an International Tribunal

[GB9]

The only area of sovereignty Britain gave up to Europe is on trade and freedom of movement.

The UK has full sovereignty over its criminal justice system (Home Office), even after Brexit it will still be answerable to the European Court of Human rights.
The UK has full sovereignty over its foreign policy , i.e. it can declare war on whom ever it likes eg the Falklands, Iraq
The UK has full sovereignty over it's tax law apart from a minimum VAT level-
The UK has full sovereignty over it's education. It could abolish education tomorrow if it so choose.
...and the list goes on.

Only on trade agreements has the UK given up it's sovereignty.

If the UK does start signing trade agreements it will have to arrange some kind of impartial institution or court with whatever country it has an agreement and give up sovereignty as it does in any case to the WTO.

Selectively weak argument.

The ECHR has sod all to do with this whereas the ECJ is the ultimate court over EU matters. It's the latter we want rid of.

Any trade agreement reaches agreement (there's the clue) as to what rules will be followed. We won't just blindly agree to accepting rules set down by everyone else.

[GB9]

Three things.

1) Brexit has not happened yet.

2) Pound crash brings in more orders from abroad. RAW materials have to be bought from somewhere, consumer prices in the UK go up and return to normal for everyone outside the UK.

3) As a direct result of (2) your standard of living has just being dropped kicked into black adder goes third, perhaps forth.

A poor response.

[Paddy]

UK economy grows 0.5% in three months after Brexit vote - BBC News

Only when measured in GBP. In reality it has fallen at least 10%

[scooterscot]

They don't know the reasons but you've guessed anyway. Well done.

scooterscot - he's window lickin' good.

Probably because courses now seem cheaper, who wants a cheap education?

Perhaps it's because the planets were in alignment.

What other significant event has happened...

[LondonManc]

Oh dear

UK university applications from EU down by 9%, says Ucas




Seems like EU students are getting the message.

They don't know the reasons but you've guessed anyway. Well done.

scooterscot - he's window lickin' good.

[DodgyAgent]

Three things.

1) Brexit has not happened yet.

2) Pound crash brings in more orders from abroad. RAW materials have to be bought from somewhere, consumer prices in the UK go up and return to normal for everyone outside the UK.

3) As a direct result of (2) your standard of living has just being dropped kicked into black adder goes third, perhaps forth.

Your obsession with not conceding any argument or point makes you look an idiot and as such weakens your overall position.

To counter - the forecast by the treasury was a fall in growth whether Brexit had been implemented at all. The fall in the pound has advantages and disadvantages. raw materials may cost more but the rest of the production costs are falling. Where does it say that the standard of living has fallen? and where do you acknowledge the point that the UKs balance of payments needs less imports?