Breakfast Brexit Merge

[vetran]

The only part of the electorate strongly in favour of a points system are UKIP voters, so we're talking 12-15%.

It doesn't have legs.

you asked everyone then? Facts / Linky?

[unemployed]

good job i can get a dual nationality passport

[SueEllen]

good job i can get a dual nationality passport

When are you leaving?

[stek]

good job i can get a dual nationality passport

No such thing, you're even thicker than I thought you were.

[jamesbrown]

The only part of the electorate strongly in favour of a points system are UKIP voters, so we're talking 12-15%.

It doesn't have legs.

FWIW, I think you're wrong about that. I'd support it and I'm not a kipper. However, I'm realistic about how much difference it would make. The main issue is free movement of unskilled labour and of jobseekers, which needs to be dealt with. It seems to me that a reduction of 50-100k is doable and the vast majority of the electorate, including many Bremainers, would sign up to that IMO.

[stek]

Can't see free movement continuing.

Hannan is a 'moderate' Brexiter advocating a Norwegian model - as an ex MEP he won't be in UK government making the rules.
Throughout the campaign the leading lights who are likely to be heading the government in a few months, Johnson & Gove, have been advocating a strict Australian style points system.

From the FT..

"While it is possible the UK will agree to maintain free movement of labour in return for access to the EU’s single market (which is the arrangement in Norway), that outcome seems unlikely given the Leave campaign’s promise to “take back control” of immigration.

Many Leave campaigners have called for an “Australian-style points system”. Points systems allow countries to admit migrants based on their characteristics, such as language, qualifications, work experience and occupation."

The Leave campaign don't decide, Westminister do. The referendum was to leave the EU or not, not in what way, convert to Swiss or Norway model etc...

It's like voting on whether to go the the pub or not, and then going to a bar cos a bar is not called a pub.

Out voters didn't think about any of that, just kneejerked hoping for the restoration of the British Empire....

[jamesbrown]

The Leave campaign don't decide, Westminister do. The referendum was to leave the EU or not, not in what way, convert to Swiss or Norway model etc...

It's like voting on whether to go the the pub or not, and then going to a bar cos a bar is not called a pub.

Out voters didn't think about any of that, just kneejerked hoping for the restoration of the British Empire....

Despite the additional uncertainty, a manifesto and a new election is probably the best way to do it because, I agree, the current mandate is heavily constrained.

[VectraMan]

Does a points based system mean anyone with enough points gets to come here and then look for something to do? Whereas freedom of labour means only someone with work can come, which means businesses have to go through lots of hassle and paperwork to hire somebody they want. The former sound better, or some combination of the two. Both will have the average Brexit voter turning purple though.

[stek]

Does a points based system mean anyone with enough points gets to come here and then look for something to do? Whereas freedom of labour means only someone with work can come, which means businesses have to go through lots of hassle and paperwork to hire somebody they want. The former sound better, or some combination of the two. Both will have the average Brexit voter turning purple though.

We've already got points-based immigration for students and workers, and for work permits it's quite difficult. First the employer has to register as a licenced sponsor and fulfil the condition of that, then conduct a resident labour martket test to ensure local (UK and EU for now) candiates are favoured, but advertising in two places for 28 days and collating CV's, if no-one suitable pick someone from abroad, assign a COS and get them to apply for the their T2.

Those on T5 YMS can work for anyone, even do contracting, but they have to leave after two years.

[bobspud]

Both will have the average Brexit voter turning purple though.

Do you mean the average or the just the idiots that they have found so easy to pick out for camera and radio fodder. I support movement but not without a job. I also support tax breaks like Holland so that it's easier to come an legitimately set up and work here but I don't support unfettered use of public services. Reciprocal arrangements are one thing but I think cross charges would work better.