Breakfast Brexit Merge

[SueEllen]

Fishing and farming will go back to profitable industries again outwith the ridiculous payouts from CAP and CFP.

Ha ha ha ha

[SunnyInHades]

Daniel Hannan proposing free movement of labour, within the EU.

Can't see free movement continuing.

Hannan is a 'moderate' Brexiter advocating a Norwegian model - as an ex MEP he won't be in UK government making the rules.
Throughout the campaign the leading lights who are likely to be heading the government in a few months, Johnson & Gove, have been advocating a strict Australian style points system.

From the FT..

"While it is possible the UK will agree to maintain free movement of labour in return for access to the EU’s single market (which is the arrangement in Norway), that outcome seems unlikely given the Leave campaign’s promise to “take back control” of immigration.

Many Leave campaigners have called for an “Australian-style points system”. Points systems allow countries to admit migrants based on their characteristics, such as language, qualifications, work experience and occupation."

[AtW]

There won't be freedom of movement - only visa free travel for tourism purposes plus they will agree to give perm residense to all long term living before refrerendum - thus is to prevent British kicked out from Spain etc

If the do keep freedom of movement then it would be a total con then

[Old Greg]

Can't see free movement continuing.

Hannan is a 'moderate' Brexiter advocating a Norwegian model - as an ex MEP he won't be in UK government making the rules.
Throughout the campaign the leading lights who are likely to be heading the government in a few months, Johnson & Gove, have been advocating a strict Australian style points system.

From the FT..

"While it is possible the UK will agree to maintain free movement of labour in return for access to the EU’s single market (which is the arrangement in Norway), that outcome seems unlikely given the Leave campaign’s promise to “take back control” of immigration.

Many Leave campaigners have called for an “Australian-style points system”. Points systems allow countries to admit migrants based on their characteristics, such as language, qualifications, work experience and occupation."

Given that 52% of the electorate voted leave, isn't moderate pro Brexit the median view?

[BlasterBates]

Can't see free movement continuing.

Hannan is a 'moderate' Brexiter advocating a Norwegian model - as an ex MEP he won't be in UK government making the rules.
Throughout the campaign the leading lights who are likely to be heading the government in a few months, Johnson & Gove, have been advocating a strict Australian style points system.

From the FT..

"While it is possible the UK will agree to maintain free movement of labour in return for access to the EU’s single market (which is the arrangement in Norway), that outcome seems unlikely given the Leave campaign’s promise to “take back control” of immigration.

Many Leave campaigners have called for an “Australian-style points system”. Points systems allow countries to admit migrants based on their characteristics, such as language, qualifications, work experience and occupation."

Looks like Boris is also open to the free movement of Labour:

Boris Johnson on leaving the EU: ‘it might or it might not’ lead to job losses - Britain Stronger In Europe

Well, again, if you look at free movement, it is very interesting how that has changed over the years. When I went to live on the continent, you had to go to the local town hall and present your papers and show what employment you proposed to do, you had to register and all that kind of thing.

What he describes is the free movement of Labour, i.e. you have a contract of employment you get your residence permit.

You have over 200 pro-European Conservative MP's in parliament and over 200 opposition MP's who want a deal with Europe.

I think you are going to see the free movement of Labour.

[NotAllThere]

...From the FT..

"While it is possible the UK will agree to maintain free movement of labour in return for access to the EU’s single market (which is the arrangement in Norway), that outcome seems unlikely given the Leave campaign’s promise to “take back control” of immigration....

It wasn't a General Election. The Leave campaign aren't now suddenly running the country.

The Leave campaign promised that leaving the EU would enable the UK to take back control of immigration. Which is correct. The UK can now (or in a year or two) enact laws that switch to the Oz system (for example).

The simple fact of being technically able to do something is a long long way from actually doing it. The Leave campaign aren't a majority in the UK government. If there's a General Election in 2017 (as Matthew Parris predicts), there's no guarantee that a majority government can form that will implement such radical changes.

[minestrone]

Whatever it is we will be able to change it, parties will be able to propose different systems and allow the electorate to decide at the ballot box.

I don't think people fully understand the reasons why people wanted to leave.

[BlasterBates]

The only part of the electorate strongly in favour of a points system are UKIP voters, so we're talking 12-15%.

It doesn't have legs.

[pjclarke]

Now at 1.3 million and being signed at a rate of about 100 every second

[SueEllen]

Looks like Boris is also open to the free movement of Labour:

Boris Johnson on leaving the EU: ‘it might or it might not’ lead to job losses - Britain Stronger In Europe


What he describes is the free movement of Labour, i.e. you have a contract of employment you get your residence permit.

You have over 200 pro-European Conservative MP's in parliament and over 200 opposition MP's who want a deal with Europe.

I think you are going to see the free movement of Labour.

Which is what EEA countries have, Switzerland basically has and some EU countries have already.

Unlike in the UK in many other European countries you have to register if you stay or plan to stay there over 3 months. If you have an employment contract they do some quick checks and basically ignore you.

If you aren't employed and aren't retiring e.g. have no obvious source of income in some EU countries they tell you after 3 months you need to leave for a minimum of 24 hours.