EU superstate

[unixman]

The Commission is not equal to the UK cabinet.

The Commission is very much like the UK Cabinet. It proposes laws. It sets objectives and priorities. It is the EU's chief decision making body. Effectively, it is the EU executive. What part of that is not like the UK Cabinet ?

The proposals for laws come from members states, plus EU institutions.

Proposals for laws do not come from member states or other EU institutions. Proposals for new laws come from the Commission. That is its job. To propose new laws, and to set objectives and priorities.

The commission does boring admin things e.g. give custom codes to items.

Fine.

[unixman]

You are presuming incorrectly that the function and names of the governance structure in the UK matches directly that of the EU. It doesn't. The same way the US governance structure doesn't match that of the UK.

I am not presuming anything. I am quoting straight from the Commission's own materials on the web. The way I have described the Commission and its function is the same way it describes itself. (But it doesn't say "We are like the UK Cabinet").

The UK and US Governments can both be removed entirely by their citizens every 5 years, and often as not, they are. In the US they additionally remove the entire "Administration" - a large number of people which I believe includes their equivalent of our Civil Service. We (the UK) don't change the Civil Service.

Both UK and US differ sharply from the EU in that the EU executive body (the Commission) cannot be removed directly by voters.

[SueEllen]

I am not presuming anything. I am quoting straight from the Commission's own materials on the web. The way I have described the Commission and its function is the same way it describes itself. (But it doesn't say "We are like the UK Cabinet").

The UK and US Governments can both be removed entirely by their citizens every 5 years, and often as not, they are. In the US they additionally remove the entire "Administration" - a large number of people which I believe includes their equivalent of our Civil Service. We (the UK) don't change the Civil Service.

Both UK and US differ sharply from the EU in that the EU executive body (the Commission) cannot be removed directly by voters.

US voters can't remove the US secretaries e.g. secretary of state. They are appointed by the president and are not elected politicians.

Just because something sounds the same it doesn't mean it is the same.

[shaunbhoy]

US voters can't remove the US secretaries e.g. secretary of state. They are appointed by the president and are not elected politicians.

But they CAN remove the President, then the NEW President that they picked can select a NEW Secretary of State. Are you really this thick or are you just being a hair-splitting muppet?

[DodgyAgent]

But they CAN remove the President, then the NEW President that they picked can select a NEW Secretary of State. Are you really this thick or are you just being a hair-splitting muppet?

it is the liberal self loathing leftie way to take a position and defend it on every facet of an argument. why not just admit that the EU is undemocratic and argue the case for staying in. I am happy to conceded that leaving will be bad for the economy (at least in the short term.

[SueEllen]

But they CAN remove the President, then the NEW President that they picked can select a NEW Secretary of State. Are you really this thick or are you just being a hair-splitting muppet?

Who are "they"? US voters?

US voters can't REMOVE their president during their term. Only the Senate can remove them.

Likewise the President of the Commission and all the commissioners can be removed during their term by the European Parliament.

Neither the US senate or European parliament have ever done this.

[SueEllen]

it is the liberal self loathing leftie way to take a position and defend it on every facet of an argument. why not just admit that the EU is undemocratic and argue the case for staying in. I am happy to conceded that leaving will be bad for the economy (at least in the short term.

The EU is as undemocratic as the UK parliamentary system as when did you elect the Queen and members of the House of Lords?

Also did you directly elect the Prime minister? Or was your vote for your local MP?

[PurpleGorilla]

The EU is as undemocratic as the UK parliamentary system as when did you elect the Queen and members of the House of Lords?

Also did you directly elect the Prime minister? Or was your vote for your local MP?

The Queen was anointed by God.

[GB9]

Who is this "EU" that apparently acts with one mind and has an agenda? The UK is part of the EU; does that mean the UK has the agenda to create a superstate? If the answer is no, then your first statement is factually incorrect. The EU doesn't have an agenda to create a superstate.

Of course it does. The EU being the unelected socialists in Brussels in their own little empire. The UK is powerless to stop it as too many idiot socialists in other member states want it.

Only a delusional idiot would try to deny that.

[vetran]

The Queen was anointed by God.

I am pleased with my choice.