Europe finished as an industrial and military region?

[SueEllen]

Even the Daily Telegraph:

It's funny when you hear ex-Tory ministers, especially those who support Brexit, slagging off current Tory ministers for lacking a clue and being totally useless.....

[LondonManc]

It's funny when you hear ex-Tory ministers, especially those who support Brexit, slagging off current Tory ministers for lacking a clue and being totally useless.....

And ex-PMs talking about the Middle East as though they had nothing to do with the current situation.

[Flashman]

Yes Germany allows its Steel industry cheap electricity. The UK could do the same under EU rules. If that was the only problem they would have course done this, as Tata would have lobbied for it and the government would probably have agreed.

After a Brexit Britain will spend it's time trying to broker trade deals with all the strings attached. There will be loads of unwanted legislation being brought in to get deals with the EU, China, India and US.
So that'll be the same as now then.

and what happens if Scotland leaves the UK and remains in or joins the EU, so having left to close the border to the EU, we have a huge "hole" in the North, and the free border with Ireland.
Nicola Sturgeon can hiss and spit all she likes, Scotland isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

There is absolutely no way a British government can close the border between the UK and Ireland without starting a civil war.
The 'open border' with between the UK and the Irish Republic dates back to the 1922 Agreement.

So even after a Brexit and huge barbed wire fences errected around Dover and Folkstone, EU citizens will be able to take a flight to Dublin or Glasgow and freely wander into Britain without a passport check. Newly arrived EU citizens will need a visa to work legally.

[DodgyAgent]

Out of interest how are existing EU citizens in the UK and "newly arrived" ones separated?

[MrMarkyMark]

And ex-PMs talking about the Middle East as though they had nothing to do with the current situation.

I guess you must be talking about the ex British Middle East Peace Envoy

[BlasterBates]

Newly arrived EU citizens will need a visa to work legally.

I very much doubt EU citizens will need visas, can you quote any pro-Brexit, minister on that, and even if you could can you name the 326 MP's that would support that ?

If there was a visa would they not be like Swiss visas that are automatically rubber stamped if you produce an EU passport.

Immigration and Brexit are completely separate issues. The vast majority of immigrants in the UK are non-EU, and the number of EU immigrants in the UK are more or less matched by emigrants to the EU. That was established after a parliamentary question.

There's no reason Britain couldn't be like Germany that has just as many EU-migrants but a very low number of non-EU migrants, and quite low net migration.

Immigration is a "fake issue" that has nothing to do with Brexit but is simply used as a populist argument. If you stopped non-EU immigration you would have a very stable population.

[AtW]

I very much doubt EU citizens will need visas, can you quote any pro-Brexit, minister on that, and even if you could can you name the 326 MP's that would support that ?

They will need visa to work or live in UK, just same as it is with USA for UK visits.

[AtW]

Steel crisis: UK government plays down China tariff fears - BBC News

They are right - there is no point to worry about it because there won't be any UK Steel industry left by the time Gidiot is kicked out from Number 11...

[unixman]

Algorithm for rescuing an industry:

Take out map and ruler
Measure distance from London
If near London, rescue

[BrilloPad]

Algorithm for rescuing an industry:

Take out map and ruler
Measure distance from London
If near London, rescue

Bollox.

It is only the rich and powerful who get rescued.