Why your taxes will rise sharply and your families standard of living will fall

[vetran]

About 0.2% of the budget. So yes clearly health tourism is the reason you wait 3 weeks for an appointment.

or its a fantasy figure worthy of a Scottish Independence prospectus or a Project fear document.

[vetran]

I will tell you a little secret - if they think you are genuinely ill they see you on the day. They don't want you going off to A&E as an emergency otherwise they get in trouble.


Then you are clearly too lazy to phone up at 8am or line up at the surgery at 7.45am.

why should we do that?

[vetran]

Unless your appointment is at within the next 45 minutes go home again.

I've also waited hours to be seen. I've learnt to try and get appointments for around 3.30pm during term time. Strangely no one wants those appointments.....


You are the prat for blaming immigrants when the real reason you are waiting is no doctor wants to be a GP.

When I was a child my GPs were both from abroad because very few British doctors wanted to be a GP in Inner London.

The Labour party came into power and bribed GPs so loads of British doctors wanted to be one to work 4 days a week and do no on-calls.

Now doctors realised they have to work long hours and won't be partners, so no British doctor wants to be one again.....

Yeah right...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-doctors.html

[NotAllThere]

Yeah right...

Straight-A students forced abroad to study medicine as NHS recruits record foreign doctors | Daily Mail Online

Referencing the Daily Mail tends to weaken your argument - not strengthen it.

[vetran]

Referencing the Daily Mail tends to weaken your argument - not strengthen it.

Are you saying it didn't happen or you don't believe the Daily Mail on principle?

The statement is strong enough and supported by facts, we could get Coco the clown to say it and it would still be true.

Do feel free to find it in a Paper you do like.

[dogzilla]

Referencing the Daily Mail tends to weaken your argument - not strengthen it.

It's also easier to criticise the source than actually deal with the argument presented. Fail.

Ask anyone who has experience working in the NHS and they will tell you the same. We are having to import vast numbers of nurses and doctors from abroad meanwhile they have axed NHS grants to nurses meaning that anyone wanting to be a nurse has to put themselves 30-40k in debt for the privilege of getting a tulip waged and being constantly undervalued by nurses from the phillipines willing to work 80 hours a week.

[PurpleGorilla]

Oh - the naivety of youth!

We will build a big wall.

And who will pay for the wall?

That's right, France will pay for the wall.

[dogzilla]

You are the prat for blaming immigrants when the real reason you are waiting is no doctor wants to be a GP.

I don't blame immigrants. I blame successive governments immigration policy which has left us in the current situation with oversubscribed local services. There is a massive difference.

[NotAllThere]

Are you saying it didn't happen or you don't believe the Daily Mail on principle?

I'm saying that since the majority of articles the Daily Mail publishes are obviously and demonstrably utter twaddle, linking to a Daily Mail article is more likely to weaken your argument than strengthen it. Simple logic, but perhaps beyond the grasp of your average DM reader.

[sirja]

Hands up who knows their NHS number? Hands up who thinks they could remember their NHS number whilst being wheeled into A&E with blood pouring out of an open wound?

It was interesting when I went to a private hospital last year the first thing the receptionist asked was how I was paying. It just seemed so completely alien when you've grown up in a country with free healthcare. I kind of agree with the point, but it's not really fair on doctors and nurses, or receptionists to be the ones to have to tell dying people they're not going to get any help.

Trust me if the NHS Bills were being paid by Private health insurance companies as opposed to the govt, Every single hospital in the country would have a robust patient verification system in place. As I said before this is done in most developed countries it's really not rocket science, but as usual the lazy and incompetent NHS managers can't be asked.