Agile - at what point do you just tell someone to take a hike?

[NibblyPig]

Had a three hour sprint planning meeting, during which I didn't say a single word and I chanted shrimpys mantra in my head to stay sane.

Instead of estimating tasks, it was the product owner and associated parties trying to plan out what they actually wanted.

So I was just watching two people argue and discuss stuff.

We're so agile.

[DimPrawn]

Spot on. My current gig is the first truly Agile/Fragile place I have worked. My "Manager" and "Architect" use it as an excuse not to do any design work, requirements gathering, or measurement of progress. Just do "Some Stuff" please they tell me.

Unless something is visible to the end-user it doesn't get done - stability improvements, monitoring etc. Don't bother then wonder why we look like plonkers when they stuff fails

Last client co had this same issue. Story points were around what the stakeholders want. Shiny buttons etc. No design into scalability, reliability, extendability, maintainability, etc.

But all good, means can start it all over again in a few months time. Kerrrrrrrrrrching!

[SueEllen]

Had a three hour sprint planning meeting, during which I didn't say a single word and I chanted shrimpys mantra in my head to stay sane.

Instead of estimating tasks, it was the product owner and associated parties trying to plan out what they actually wanted.

So I was just watching two people argue and discuss stuff.

We're so agile.

Nearly half a day of invoicing while doing nothing.

[OnceStonedRose]

Had a three hour sprint planning meeting, during which I didn't say a single word and I chanted shrimpys mantra in my head to stay sane.

Instead of estimating tasks, it was the product owner and associated parties trying to plan out what they actually wanted.

So I was just watching two people argue and discuss stuff.

We're so agile.

I'd normally inform the folk in this type of business knowledge "peacockery" that I'm not going to contribute anything of value to this exercise and excuse myself thus giving me time to deliver some value elsewhere, normally id go for a tulip.

[NibblyPig]

Nearly half a day of invoicing while doing nothing.

Unfortunately, half a day invoicing while sitting perfectly still in a potted seat, unable to do anything, trying to stay awake and look interested in front of 4 permie devs, the person that hired me, and the person representing the business needs who already dislikes devs... for almost three hours ...

I'd normally inform the folk in this type of business knowledge "peacockery" that I'm not going to contribute anything of value to this exercise and excuse myself thus giving me time to deliver some value elsewhere, normally id go for a tulip.

I tried, I was 'invited' with enthusiasm to join the meeting. Give it a few weeks, see if my extension comes through

[vetran]

I tried, I was 'invited' with enthusiasm to join the meeting. Give it a few weeks, see if my extension comes through

Maybe you are 'eye candy' to stop them falling asleep?