The Farce Awakens...

[PurpleGorilla]

EU Renegotiation, the draft is out...

EU renegotiation: UK wins partial concession on migrant worker benefits | Politics | The Guardian

[seanraaron]

Some of these things seem a bit silly: how many EU citizens working in the UK are actually claiming child benefit for non-resident children? Are we talking millions of £s here because I find that very hard to believe. Benefits are being cut back across the board, so it hardly seems a budgetary winner to exclude a few hundred thousand people from being able to claim even if they were all claiming (which I expect they aren't). But it's the principle that matters, right?

The only items that seems sensible are the red card for the Commission and the double-edged one about non-eurozone members not being able to derail things to support the eurozone and the UK not having to bailout eurozone members (maybe). Ultimately I think Europe is going to have to federalise to survive; the UK will continue to be in its playpen chucking out the toys periodically over "unfair treatment" for occasional entertainment whilst being patted on the head by the Germans.

[SlipTheJab]

Not enough, if its stays that way I'm voting to leave.

[The Spartan]

Some of these things seem a bit silly: how many EU citizens working in the UK are actually claiming child benefit for non-resident children? Are we talking millions of £s here because I find that very hard to believe. Benefits are being cut back across the board, so it hardly seems a budgetary winner to exclude a few hundred thousand people from being able to claim even if they were all claiming (which I expect they aren't). But it's the principle that matters, right?

The only items that seems sensible are the red card for the Commission and the double-edged one about non-eurozone members not being able to derail things to support the eurozone and the UK not having to bailout eurozone members (maybe). Ultimately I think Europe is going to have to federalise to survive; the UK will continue to be in its playpen chucking out the toys periodically over "unfair treatment" for occasional entertainment whilst being patted on the head by the Germans.

It's in the millions but finding out just how much isn't that easy some articles claim £30 million a year other say it's £1 million a week, what is conclusive is that Poland is by far the largest recipient when it comes to claiming for children that are non-resident. Also child benefit paid from the UK is four times the amount that would be able to claimed in Poland.

[diseasex]

It's in the millions but finding out just how much isn't that easy some articles claim £30 million a year other say it's £1 million a week, what is conclusive is that Poland is by far the largest recipient when it comes to claiming for children that are non-resident. Also child benefit paid from the UK is four times the amount that would be able to claimed in Poland.

Of which the amount abused is pennies

[The Spartan]

Of which the amount abused is pennies

Where in my response did I say it was abused? That's right nowhere. The point is why not adjust it so that it is more reflective of what would be paid in their home country as opposed to the rate that is paid in the UK as the children are not resident here.

[diseasex]

Where in my response did I say it was abused? That's right nowhere. The point is why not adjust it so that it is more reflective of what would be paid in their home country as opposed to the rate that is paid in the UK as the children are not resident here.

Paying for kids that will inevitably land in the UK anyway that is, even if temporarily out of the country.

[SlipTheJab]

Where in my response did I say it was abused? That's right nowhere. The point is why not adjust it so that it is more reflective of what would be paid in their home country as opposed to the rate that is paid in the UK as the children are not resident here.

Or only pay it if you can be ar$ed to bring your kids over and actually give them a proper family life HTH.

[The Spartan]

Or only pay it if you can be ar$ed to bring your kids over and actually give them a proper family life HTH.

I'll be voting to leave as it currently stands.

[OwlHoot]

Britain would be able to request an “emergency brake” on in-work benefits for EU migrants for up to four years, subject to permission from other member states

What a load of

Not worth the paper it's written on.