Time to privatise the NHS

[psychocandy]

What do mean they starve the NHS of resources?. They do not. It is people like you that think money grows on trees who comes up with all the cliche crap that you spew out. If the NHS had 100% of our income (which is what the left really believe) it would still fail so many people.
The NHS needs the rigors of the private sector (which does not necessarily mean privatising it) to make it work. If BP, UBS, HSBC can nail down their contractor suppliers to tiny margins why cant the NHS for example?
It is people like you that make the NHS so damned inefficient.

If you paid everyone who worked for the NHS £100K a year it would still be full of lazy arse ****ers who know they can get away with doing sod all and not get caught out. No accountability at the moment.

[psychocandy]

If you don't like the NHS then disappear to the numerous private health care providers and leave the NHS to those of us who do use it and appreciate it. I would have thought this pretty straightforward for the the millionaire contractors starting this thread.

If it was me I would do. I offered to pay for the old man to have this done too (even though hes minted). ****er refused point blank and said he didnt agree with it because he'd paid taxes all his life.

Stubborn git he is my old man.

[SpontaneousOrder]

If you don't like the NHS then disappear to the numerous private health care providers and leave the NHS to those of us who do use it and appreciate it. I would have thought this pretty straightforward for the the millionaire contractors starting this thread.

You do realise that it's the coercively monopolistic NHS which means there is an incredibly limited market for alternative choice in this country?

And then you have the duplicity to effectively say "leave us alone" ?!

[psychocandy]

The NHS is about curing illness not providing care for those who they have treated and don't consider ill anymore. So it's invalid to compare it to a money making organisation.

The aim once you have been treated is to get you out of hospital as soon as possible. In the case of old people they try and get them out of hospital as it's know they get worse in hospital e.g. come in mobile and leave unable to walk, and are more likely to die.

If you state that there is someone to take care of you they will chuck you out. So they wouldn't have chucked him out if he hadn't of said he has a son and daughter-in-law who could take care of him. The fact the PC couldn't isn't the hospital's fault as they presume once you are over about 10 , don't have learning difficulties or dementia what you say is true.

If PC couldn't care for his dad then he should have told his dad that clearly before he went into hospital like some of the OAPs I've met. He also
should have also said it on the phone when the nurse rang him to collect his dad.

And yes I've had family and friends' chucked out who haven't been mobile and able to clean themselves.

Yes it seems its a common occurence.

Thing is they know old people wont argue. If my Dad was dying he wouldnt moan if a nurse said no you're good to go . Its his generation.

In this case, he did say Im not sure if I'm ok and they basically ignored him.

Apparently the nursing code of conduct implies a nurse should act as a patients advocate and has a duty of care to the patient and this includes ensuring they're left in a safe environment. They failed in this case IMHO.

To be honest though, if what they did is above board then fair enough but I am intending to complain to both the Trust and the NMC about the way it was handled. If there is nothing to answer then the people involved have nothing to fear.

If they have done wrong, then they will face the consequences of their actions. If you are doing things on a day to day basis that you know are wrong and are unwilling to put your cock on the block then you probably should be doing a different job.

Like I said Mrs PC is a nurse and I know that the thing is that nurses are responsible for their own actions - no excuses can be made. Its not easy sometimes when others (like doctors) act like prats and expect nurses to roll over. If things go wrong the nurse gets sacked not the doctor.

My Mrs has had tons of grief in the past by refusing to do things that she knows are wrong just because someone else wants the easy option. But no-one is ever going to get sacked by sticking to whats right.

[psychocandy]

Well, 2nd visit in hospital and they seem to be sorting problems they caused first time. Which is good but should have happened first time around.

I'm all for putting in an official complaint. My outlook is if no-one complains then nothing ever changes. If you've done things right and can justify your actions then you've got nothing to worry about. I know my Mrs attitude as a nurse is that she wants people to complain because the bad nurses stand out a mile and bring disrepute to the profession.

BUT, and I'm sure its a generation thing, but old man doesnt want to cause a fuss or get anyone in trouble. Tried to explain to him that he should complain if only to protect the next person, and that no-one is going to get into trouble on my say so but only if they are found to be negligent.

His argument - but all the nurses are so nice here I don;t want to think of them being told off because they've been so nice to me. He forgets quickly what happened to him. I can just imagine the nurse/doctor who caused the original **** up being extra nice to him now which makes me a bit mad I must admit.

Like I said before, NHS staff know a lot of people will just not complain, especially the older generation. Be nice to their face, but screw up behind the scenes and most people won't bother. Its sickening the lack of accountability....

[FatLazyContractor]

I'm all for putting in an official complaint. My outlook is if no-one complains then nothing ever changes. If you've done things right and can justify your actions then you've got nothing to worry about. I know my Mrs attitude as a nurse is that she wants people to complain because the bad nurses stand out a mile and bring disrepute to the profession.

Get ready to receive a letter of apology.

NHS, as I said earlier, is an unnecessary evil. People who defend it should be tasered and put on an NHS queue for treatment.

[psychocandy]

Get ready to receive a letter of apology.

NHS, as I said earlier, is an unnecessary evil. People who defend it should be tasered and put on an NHS queue for treatment.

More than likely. I remember complaining before about the Mrs when she was pregnant. Nothing happens just a letter of apology....

[VectraMan]

More than likely. I remember complaining before about the Mrs when she was pregnant. Nothing happens just a letter of apology....

To be fair her being pregnant was at least partly your* fault.

*presumably.

[MrMarkyMark]

I remember complaining before about the Mrs when she was pregnant. Nothing happens just a letter of apology....

Do you get a letter of apology, from your missus, for each kid you have

[psychocandy]

To be fair her being pregnant was at least partly your* fault.

*presumably.

Presumably!