Should the Lords prayer be banned?

[BrilloPad]

Like Christmas is anything to do with religion.

And I'd love to see Christmas ads banned. And for that matter Christmas, but that's probably a bit radical.

There is a reason it is called Christmas you know......

[MrMarkyMark]

I would go along with that if we could ban all the science pseudo religious stuff. We are just holograms projected from the edge of the universe. The AGW and anti-AGW lot.

What would David Icke do for a living then?

I wish I had enough faith to be sure that God does not exist.....

[VectraMan]

No, this would not be consistent as it assumes that what we commonly call "Christmas" is the sole domain of Christians. There are many cultural references to Christmas that have nothing to do with Jesus. Even the image of Santa that we currently have (fat guy in a red suit) is a non-denominational advertising construct.

It's a bit more than "many". Pretty much everything we associate with Christmas, i.e. presents, carols, a tree, cards, Santa, mince pies, mulled wine, crap TV, Boxing Day Sales, arguing with your family etc. etc. is nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. You might get the odd card with a manger scene, but that's as far as the Jesus association goes. Why don't we just be honest and say it's a British/European tradition that everyone hates but everybody feels obligated to practice and stop pretending it's anything to do with religion?

There is a reason it is called Christmas you know.....

Xmas. Problem solved.

[BrilloPad]

Like Christmas is anything to do with religion.

And I'd love to see Christmas ads banned. And for that matter Christmas, but that's probably a bit radical.

There is a reason it is called Christmas you know......

Xmas. Problem solved.

Its not f**king Xmas though! Its Christmas! As per your first post.

Now Dec 25(Oct 31?) may have been hijacked by Christians. But that is a different argument.

It is inescapable that this is a Christian country. And rightly or wrongly it has been very beneficial.

[scooterscot]

It's bad enough they're unelected, now I've got to pray for them?

[VectraMan]

Its not f**king Xmas though!

Ah but it could be.

Xmas - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database - Wikia

It is inescapable that this is a Christian country. And rightly or wrongly it has been very beneficial.

It's very escapable. Because this isn't a Christian country. To say it is is neglecting the past tense. It's a modern democratic secular country and it's only a small minority that like to believe that we still live in the 17th century. We don't. Get over it.

[BlueSharp]

The UK is a secular country with deep christian heritage. Christmas may have been hijacked by the shops selling to the none believers pretty trinkets but their are plenty of other traditions such as Easter.

I hope the church take them to the cleaners. Private business are not allowed to discriminate on Faith, Gender or sexual orientation. Remember when other business were taken to court (and rightly so) for refusing to bake a cake/let a B&B room to a gay couple.

[original PM]

The UK is a secular country with deep christian heritage. Christmas may have been hijacked by the shops selling to the none believers pretty trinkets but their are plenty of other traditions such as Easter.

I hope the church take them to the cleaners. Private business are not allowed to discriminate on Faith, Gender or sexual orientation. Remember when other business were taken to court (and rightly so) for refusing to bake a cake/let a B&B room to a gay couple.

Erm no not rightly so.

As a business you have a right to choose your customers in much the same way as customers have a right to choose which business they decide to spend money with.

If you decide to open a business that only deals with white males then so be it - just do not expect it to do well.

You should not be 'forced' to business with anyone.

[meridian]

The UK is a secular country with deep christian heritage. Christmas may have been hijacked by the shops selling to the none believers pretty trinkets but their are plenty of other traditions such as Easter.

I hope the church take them to the cleaners. Private business are not allowed to discriminate on Faith, Gender or sexual orientation. Remember when other business were taken to court (and rightly so) for refusing to bake a cake/let a B&B room to a gay couple.

I have to disagree on two counts.

England is not explicitly secular, it's a little ambiguous across the UK as a whole but for England C of E is the state religion.

Discrimination implies favouring one group over others, so the examples you gave are not the same. This is a case of a business refusing all religious ads, not a case of favouring one religious group over another. Of course, if this turns out to be wrong and they are forced to show any religious ads before a cinema screening then get ready for ads with religious messages that you disagree with....

[Forgotmylogin]

Xmas. Problem solved.

You do realise that Xmas comes about because "X" represents the Greek letter that starts the word "Christ"? So Xmas, quite literally, means Christmas.