Originally posted by DodgyAgent
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The Lords and finance Bills.
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Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.
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The Lords' rejection isn't definitive. The government retains the power to push the bill through. Anything that slows any government down and forces a rethink is a good thing, which is why I'm in favour of a second chamber. The fact that they're unelected is, in my view, immaterial, since the Lords cannot enforce its will. Ideally, the second chamber should be filled with experienced statesmen and women - that's easier to achieve by appointment than election.
Abolition of the second chamber, and replacing their function with committees may work equally as well, but so far as I can see, the system isn't broke, so doesn't need fixing. Any government that abolished the second chamber would be doing so for their own (short term) political advantage. I can't see it benefiting the country as a whole.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by zeitghostAh.
So you want unfettered one party statedom, so you?Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.
No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.Comment
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Originally posted by NickFitz View PostBut this wasn't a finance bill, in the sense of being primary legislation, which is what the convention applies to. Gideon and Dave thought they were being very clever by pushing it through as a statutory instrument instead; but that means the Lords damn well can block it.
The reason they used - or rather, tried to use - a statutory instrument is that it reduces the amount of scrutiny and debate it's subject to in the Commons. A statutory instrument is supposed to be used for minor matters that don't require a lot of discussion, not major legislation like this. But they thought they could get away with it, and they've been caught out, because it turns out they're not as clever as they think they are, the arrogant pair of twats.
Underhand and sloppy, hence they were caught out .
The Lords' rejection isn't definitive. The government retains the power to push the bill through. Anything that slows any government down and forces a rethink is a good thing, which is why I'm in favour of a second chamber. The fact that they're unelected is, in my view, immaterial, since the Lords cannot enforce its will.
I do agree there should be reform, but this should be carefully considered not just sledge hammered in.The Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post. Anything that slows any government down and forces a rethink is a good thing,.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
AKA The what's next brigade.
"Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
A parliamentary bill would then be needed to pay for the war; but that would be a finance bill, which the Lords could not block (or at least not for long, even in the unlikely event they tried).
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Originally posted by zeitghostIf the Ruskies want Scotland they can have it.
No reason to object.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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