So, Gideon got slapped in the face and now will have to "lessen the impact", this means that he will also need to raise more money from somewhere to cover the shortfall.
Expect to see this "archaic" situation of dividends tax band being different from income tax band to be reviewed with great prejudice.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostYou might not be able to look at them for much longer
Report: US military worried Russia might target underwater cables - Europe - Stripes
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostAnd Venezuela has a tulipload of oil (and more than their fair share of extremely attractive women it has to be said)
Report: US military worried Russia might target underwater cables - Europe - Stripes
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Originally posted by darmstadt View Postand more than their fair share of extremely attractive women it has to be said)
I wouldn't want to pollute that blood line .
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Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View PostSurely if we're going to give Scotland to anyone it should be Venezuela, then Scotland can have the socialism it deservesOriginally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostSurely anyone that can afford to pay for them.
Especially now the price of oil has tanked
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Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View PostSurely if we're going to give Scotland to anyone it should be Venezuela, then Scotland can have the socialism it deserves
Especially now the price of oil has tanked
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Originally posted by zeitghostIf the Ruskies want Scotland they can have it.
No reason to object.
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Originally posted by zeitghostIf the Ruskies want Scotland they can have it.
No reason to object.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
A parliamentary bill would then be needed to pay for the war; but that would be a finance bill, which the Lords could not block (or at least not for long, even in the unlikely event they tried).
AIUI
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
AKA The what's next brigade.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo if a bill needs to be passed to declare war on Russia after invading Scotland and a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in fancy dress decide "to slow it down" then that would be a good thing?
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post. Anything that slows any government down and forces a rethink is a good thing,.
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Originally posted by NickFitz View PostBut this wasn't a finance bill, in the sense of being primary legislation, which is what the convention applies to. Gideon and Dave thought they were being very clever by pushing it through as a statutory instrument instead; but that means the Lords damn well can block it.
The reason they used - or rather, tried to use - a statutory instrument is that it reduces the amount of scrutiny and debate it's subject to in the Commons. A statutory instrument is supposed to be used for minor matters that don't require a lot of discussion, not major legislation like this. But they thought they could get away with it, and they've been caught out, because it turns out they're not as clever as they think they are, the arrogant pair of twats.
Underhand and sloppy, hence they were caught out .
The Lords' rejection isn't definitive. The government retains the power to push the bill through. Anything that slows any government down and forces a rethink is a good thing, which is why I'm in favour of a second chamber. The fact that they're unelected is, in my view, immaterial, since the Lords cannot enforce its will.
I do agree there should be reform, but this should be carefully considered not just sledge hammered in.
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Originally posted by zeitghostAh.
So you want unfettered one party statedom, so you?
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