An Object lesson on how to deal with your enemies

[darmstadt]

If the cap fits wear it

Which one would that be:



Or:

[Chuck]

Me neither, the whole world as his dog know Sir Jez's words were taken out of context, either he's desperate like you say, or stupid.

Context is irrelevant. Keep repeating the accusation for long enough and it sticks.

cf "Rivers of blood" and "No such thing as society"

[OwlHoot]

Can anyone provide a rational explanation as to why the destruction of ISIS is such a problem for our esteemed leaders?

Surely the best course of action is to all join in together and wipe out the terrorists, bring peace and stability to the region then take it from there?

Anything else is just pushing a failing agenda and proving the "conspiracy theorists" right - shirley?

You and most people reading this probably know already (and I imagine there was a missing "sarky" indicator in your post), but the overall goal (for the Septics and Saudis and Israelis anyway) was to overthrow Assad and thereby hopefully:

(1) Deny the Russians their use of the Tarsus Naval facility

(2) Construct a pipeline from Qatar and/or Saudi Arabia (?) which would reduce dependence on Russian oil and gas

(3) Reduce the influence of Iran and Hesbollah (sponsored by Iran), an ever-present thread to the Israelis

(4) [I surmise] hand the Golan heights over to Israel, and perhaps even another chunk of ex-Syrian land as a Palestinian homeland.

(4a) Secure water supplies for Israel (which will become an acute problem in a few years)

The original idea was to use Iraqi troops; but that foundered as they were useless and their loyalty and commitment questionable. (After all, among other things, Iraq formerly and Assad today are both Sunnis and Baathist, and the Yanks after their occupation of Iraq carefully "de Baathified" the Araqi army and intelligence services, which removed most of its leadership and left them at a loose end ready for all kinds of mischief - see next para.)

The US and Saudi Arabia then created, or at least nurtured, ISIS (who despite their apparent religious fanaticism are led by Iraqi ex-intelligence agents), and have been financing and arming them, in the hope this group would succeed where the Iraqis had failed.

However, their plans have been thrown into confusion by the sudden involvement of Russia. Whether the Russians and Iranians in concert succeed remains to be seen. (I don't think it's a foregone conclusion - A lot of campaigns start well and then run into the ground.)

FWIW, that's my take on the situation.

[MicrosoftBob]

Context is irrelevant. Keep repeating the accusation for long enough and it sticks.

cf "Rivers of blood" and "No such thing as society"

That and repeatedly calling terrorists his friends