Reply to: An Object lesson on how to deal with your enemies

[MicrosoftBob]

Context is irrelevant. Keep repeating the accusation for long enough and it sticks.

cf "Rivers of blood" and "No such thing as society"

That and repeatedly calling terrorists his friends

[OwlHoot]

Can anyone provide a rational explanation as to why the destruction of ISIS is such a problem for our esteemed leaders?

Surely the best course of action is to all join in together and wipe out the terrorists, bring peace and stability to the region then take it from there?

Anything else is just pushing a failing agenda and proving the "conspiracy theorists" right - shirley?

You and most people reading this probably know already (and I imagine there was a missing "sarky" indicator in your post), but the overall goal (for the Septics and Saudis and Israelis anyway) was to overthrow Assad and thereby hopefully:

(1) Deny the Russians their use of the Tarsus Naval facility

(2) Construct a pipeline from Qatar and/or Saudi Arabia (?) which would reduce dependence on Russian oil and gas

(3) Reduce the influence of Iran and Hesbollah (sponsored by Iran), an ever-present thread to the Israelis

(4) [I surmise] hand the Golan heights over to Israel, and perhaps even another chunk of ex-Syrian land as a Palestinian homeland.

(4a) Secure water supplies for Israel (which will become an acute problem in a few years)

The original idea was to use Iraqi troops; but that foundered as they were useless and their loyalty and commitment questionable. (After all, among other things, Iraq formerly and Assad today are both Sunnis and Baathist, and the Yanks after their occupation of Iraq carefully "de Baathified" the Araqi army and intelligence services, which removed most of its leadership and left them at a loose end ready for all kinds of mischief - see next para.)

The US and Saudi Arabia then created, or at least nurtured, ISIS (who despite their apparent religious fanaticism are led by Iraqi ex-intelligence agents), and have been financing and arming them, in the hope this group would succeed where the Iraqis had failed.

However, their plans have been thrown into confusion by the sudden involvement of Russia. Whether the Russians and Iranians in concert succeed remains to be seen. (I don't think it's a foregone conclusion - A lot of campaigns start well and then run into the ground.)

FWIW, that's my take on the situation.

[Chuck]

Me neither, the whole world as his dog know Sir Jez's words were taken out of context, either he's desperate like you say, or stupid.

Context is irrelevant. Keep repeating the accusation for long enough and it sticks.

cf "Rivers of blood" and "No such thing as society"

[darmstadt]

If the cap fits wear it

Which one would that be:



Or:

[TykeMerc]

Won't work, people aren't stupid...

What an absurd statement, there's an infinite quantity of evidence through the whole of history that people are in fact very stupid, also tribal, violent, selfish, greedy, panic ridden, easily led/conned/indoctrinated and lots of other nasty things.

[MicrosoftBob]

I think he's doing advanced damage limitation to discredit Jezza for when he starts making him squirm in PMQs. Won't work, people aren't stupid...

We've had Labour governments, so people obviously are stupid

[Jog On]

Because the USA and the West created ISIS to destabilise Syria and Assad. Started half-heartedly bombing them due to public pressure without much success as a token attempt, Dyadya Vova steps in and unleashes hell on ISIS to buoy up his mate Assad.

Simples!

Indeed - and now we're seeing it in plain sight, you'd think they'd be a bit smarter about covering it up but basically they just haven't thought any of it through... I'm still looking for 1 UK news outlet that allows comments (many of them don't or selectively allow comments on stories they choose) where 80-90% of the comments don't say exactly this and are glad Russia are doing something about ISIS.

So the US/Saudi's created ISIS to overthrow Assad, Turkey is buying oil off them... the 'good guys' have a lot of explaining to do it would seem.

Me neither, the whole world as his dog know Sir Jez's words were taken out of context, either he's desperate like you say, or stupid.

Yes, CMD was never high in my estimation but this was embarrassing. As a world leader he's far from world class.

I think he's doing advanced damage limitation to discredit Jezza for when he starts making him squirm in PMQs. Won't work, people aren't stupid...

[TykeMerc]

Make sure you get a good 'Krisha' Udachi vam!!

Filthy beast! Wash your mouth out with soap this instant, naughty child.

[stek]

How's the contract market in Moscow?

I just want to make sure I'm on the right side when the time comes.

Make sure you get a good 'Krisha' and pay no tax. Guard your kneecaps.

Udachi vam!!

[NibblyPig]

How's the contract market in Moscow?

I just want to make sure I'm on the right side when the time comes.

[stek]

Can't believe he actually went there... If he's resorting to that and launching such a personal attack with another 4-5 years to go he must be getting very desperate...

Me neither, the whole world as his dog know Sir Jez's words were taken out of context, either he's desperate like you say, or stupid.

[DodgyAgent]

I thought this thread was about Camoron's allegation that St. Jeremy of Corbynshire said that OBL's death was a tragedy.

If the cap fits wear it

[stek]

There's a massive media campaign and NATO blatherings happening in response to Russia's destruction of IS and all other terrorists in Syria...

Apparently this is a very bad thing and instead of all the "good guys" on our side joining in to wipe out ISIS (which we've apparently been doing for the last year) they're all getting terribly upset that Russia are doing it...

Can anyone provide a rational explanation as to why the destruction of ISIS is such a problem for our esteemed leaders?

So much so that NATO are sending troops to Turkey, we're sending troops to the Baltik and our waffling goons are attempting to rattle sabres as though they're at all relevant...

Surely the best course of action is to all join in together and wipe out the terrorists, bring peace and stability to the region then take it from there?

Anything else is just pushing a failing agenda and proving the "conspiracy theorists" right - shirley?

Because the USA and the West created ISIS to destabilise Syria and Assad. Started half-heartedly bombing them due to public pressure without much success as a token attempt, Dyadya Vova steps in and unleashes hell on ISIS to buoy up his mate Assad.

Simples!

[Jog On]

I thought this thread was about Camoron's allegation that St. Jeremy of Corbynshire said that OBL's death was a tragedy.

Can't believe he actually went there... If he's resorting to that and launching such a personal attack with another 4-5 years to go he must be getting very desperate...

[Jog On]

There's a massive media campaign and NATO blatherings happening in response to Russia's destruction of IS and all other terrorists in Syria...

Apparently this is a very bad thing and instead of all the "good guys" on our side joining in to wipe out ISIS (which we've apparently been doing for the last year) they're all getting terribly upset that Russia are doing it...

Can anyone provide a rational explanation as to why the destruction of ISIS is such a problem for our esteemed leaders?

So much so that NATO are sending troops to Turkey, we're sending troops to the Baltik and our waffling goons are attempting to rattle sabres as though they're at all relevant...

Surely the best course of action is to all join in together and wipe out the terrorists, bring peace and stability to the region then take it from there?

Anything else is just pushing a failing agenda and proving the "conspiracy theorists" right - shirley?