£100,000 per year

[DaveB]

Typical left wing wail. What do you suggest is done? pay out more benefits to keep them at home? If these people had not had their aspirations killed off by poor public services (education especially) they would be independent of the state. This is my point which you illustrate so well. keep the plebs in poverty and you have your victims . This gives you cart blanche to wail. If housing was plentiful, education top notch, health and social care of the highest quality and a secure environment "these people" would not need the state, nor would they need to be patronised by the affluent middle classes as represented by your ilk.

So start improving public services (including education), not cutting them. Stop demonising the people who are providing those services. Stop blaming the poor and give people the opportunities to get educated or trained. Get them into real jobs, not Zero Hours contracts or "Work Fair" where they end up worse off than they were on benefits. Stop providing hand outs and tax breaks to the rich, close the loopholes that let the biggest corpations pay the least tax, and spend the money on actually improving peoples lives.

[Jog On]

You can understand why all the grey hair votes for Torys with NO cuts to pensioner benefits whilst screwing the young and families.

So I want to vote for someone who will balance things out abit. [emoji383][emoji383][emoji383]

WHS - IMO the dial has shot off the right side of the scale - middle is good. I'm glad we've got 2 extremes in parliament because the right have had it all their way for too long and the mess we see is a result of that.

That does not make me a lefty - I'm a middly/not-interested-in-politics-y. I love capitalism when it's fair and corporations don't own governments and make them make it unfair.

Make them pay their fair share and get money out of politics. And let the banks fail if they can't run themselves competently.

[DaveB]

Run the public services like a business. Make everyone accountable and link outcomes to pay and conditions.

Becasue that worked so well for the NHS, didnt it.

[NickFitz]

Where does this idea come from that it's somehow wrong to care about people in poverty and want society to do more for them unless you yourself also live in poverty? It's a ridiculous attitude.

"Oh, you're a paramedic are you? I don't see you lying under a ladder with a broken leg! Hypocrite!"

"Call yourself a cardiologist? You've never even had a heart attack! In fact, I've heard you're in excellent health, unlike all the people you 'treat' in that so-called 'clinic' of yours."

"So you volunteer at a shelter for the homeless, but you live in a house yourself? Might have known it." *sneers*

[Jog On]

Where does this idea come from that it's somehow wrong to care about people in poverty and want society to do more for them unless you yourself also live in poverty? It's a ridiculous attitude.

"Oh, you're a paramedic are you? I don't see you lying under a ladder with a broken leg! Hypocrite!"

"Call yourself a cardiologist? You've never even had a heart attack! In fact, I've heard you're in excellent health, unlike all the people you 'treat' in that so-called 'clinic' of yours."

"So you volunteer at a shelter for the homeless, but you live in a house yourself? Might have known it." *sneers*

I think it's denial

[PurpleGorilla]

£100,000 per year

[PurpleGorilla]

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[DodgyAgent]

Where does this idea come from that it's somehow wrong to care about people in poverty and want society to do more for them unless you yourself also live in poverty? It's a ridiculous attitude.


"So you volunteer at a shelter for the homeless, but you live in a house yourself? Might have known it." *sneers*

What is being challenged is the motives behind the people who "say" they "care" and the methods they support. If you look at outcomes then the whole notion ofthe morality of tax and spend on public services unravel. This begs the question why then do people support policies that fail the poor? this is a question I have sought to answer on this thread and the lefties do not like what I say. The moral case for taxation has now been completely lost which leaves the so called "caring" section of society to instead of trying to repair the broken system of public services to move their totem to climate change.

This of course suggests that the motives of especially champagne socialists are more to do with themselves and their petty jealousies than any genuine concern for the less fortunate.

[PurpleGorilla]