Official Labour leadership thread

[DodgyAgent]

Of course. All the rich are rich because they worked hard. All the poor are poor because they are lazy.

What an idiotic thing to suggest. How neatly you fall into right-wing stereotypes in order to assuage any guilt - the poor don't deserve help.

You're exactly the reason we need the government to "rob and harass" the rich in order that the poor are looked after, because prising the money from your selfish, greedy hands is the only way to get it!

People are rich because they want to be rich. The poor will not be looked after any better by soaking the rich who will simply either take their wealth elsewhere or not bother trying to be rich in the first place.

There are a couple of other things at play here. let us ignore nihilistic envy of the last comment and look at the rest.

First of all those that redistribute wealth do so in such a way as to benefit themselves and secondly they use it to disincentivise the poor and keep them trapped where they are. It is no coincidence that socialist run areas with the poorest communities are very good at keeping the poor in poverty. It may not be a conscious dynamic but these so called public servants are hardly going redistribute money in such a way as to them being made redundant. After all the labour party owes it existence to keeping people dependent on the state.

By denying the government of as much money as they can the rich are not only keeping the economy flowing but they are preventing the government from destroying it.

The only reason why socialists get away with their behaviour is because they get support from envy driven hypocrites like you.

[darmstadt]

Warheads are manufactured at Aldermaston.

The
British
government
states
that
the
warheads
used
in
the
UK
Trident
system
were
designed
and
manufactured
in
the
UK
at
the
Atomic
Weapons
establishment
(AWE)
at
Aldermaston.
The
government
has
admitted
that
three
components
of
the
warhead
(the
neutron
generator,
gas
transfer
system
and
arming
fusing
and
firing
systems)
are
purchased
from
the
United
States
.
The
fourth
component,
the
thermonuclear
bomb,
is
manufactured
at
the
AWE
facilities
near
Aldermaston
and
Burghfield
on
a
design
modified
from
an
American-*‐based
original.

The
Trident
II
D-*‐5
ballistic
missiles
are
submarine-*‐launched
and
built
by
Lockheed
Martin
Space
Systems,
California.
They
are
deployed
by
the
US
Navy
and
the
Royal
Navy:
those
deployed
by
the
RN
are
leased
from
America.
Each
missile
has
a
range
of
11,300
kilometres
(7000
miles):
they
use
inertial
and
stellar
guidance
systems
and
are
not
dependent
on
GPS.
They
require
gravity
and
weather
data
from
the
US
for
some
elements
of
their
guidance
systems.

The
UK
Trident
System
is
made
up
of
58
leased
Trident
II
D-*‐5
missiles,
4
native
Vanguard-*‐
class
ballistic
missile
submarines
and
approximately
160
operational
thermonuclear
warheads,
together
with
command
and
control
and
other
supporting
infrastructure

Cut and paste, don't you love it

[DodgyAgent]

No, it really doesn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_poppy

In the mean time:

It symbolises pacifism which had it prevailed would have meant Hitler winning world war two. It is morally equating both sides of war. It is not saying that we defended ourselves against a tyrant with any sort of justification.

[DodgyAgent]

No, it really doesn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_poppy

In the mean time:

And here he is https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8uut3WUAAQmgJ.jpg:large

[tomtomagain]

Cut and paste, don't you love it

Yes. It was a great innovation.

So the Americans are in the supply chain? Why is that an issue? The UK has had a successful strategy of being closely aligned with the US for the past 80 years.

[original PM]

Of course. All the rich are rich because they worked hard. All the poor are poor because they are lazy.

What an idiotic thing to suggest. How neatly you fall into right-wing stereotypes in order to assuage any guilt - the poor don't deserve help.

You're exactly the reason we need the government to "rob and harass" the rich in order that the poor are looked after, because prising the money from your selfish, greedy hands is the only way to get it!

But me and the missus are not rich - everything we have we have worked hard for.

In addition those 'lazy' rich you refer to are actually just spending daddies or mummies money because daddy and or mommy worked really hard to get that money.

The only way to get rich if you are not born into it is to earn it or win it.

I also did not say the poor do not deserve help I said that people who cannot be ar$ed to get educated and get a decent job to earn more money should not be spoon fed.

[DodgyAgent]

This is daily wail/Sun/CMD claptrap

He is anti-war and wants to de-escalate conflicts. In order to do that you have to get your 'enemies' around the negotiating table. It's actually very patriotic to want to de-escalate conflicts and get your country/citizens out of the line of fire. Everyone else seems hell bent on driving us headlong into WW3. How patriotic is that?

He is anti war by supporting enemies of Britain whether they be Russia, IRA, Hezbollah, Hamas. If you think for a minute that pacifism is the answer to everything then maybe you should argue what Britain should have done in the face odf Hitler. His way of "de escalating" war is to submit to the demands of the terrorists and oppressors
here you go. His associations hardly a representation of balanced debate Why is no one asking about Jeremy Corbyn
I cannot see for the life of me where he has ever challenged the behaviour, policies and actions of any of the dodgy terrorist groups he has engaged with.

[BrilloPad]

People are rich because they want to be rich. The poor will not be looked after any better by soaking the rich who will simply either take their wealth elsewhere or not bother trying to be rich in the first place.

This is true.

But when enough poor people get shafted they will rebel.

Its a shame really that they only way to get more equality is to cut everyone down. Like through a depression.

Its a bit like giving someone a pound. And telling them to offer some of the pound to someone else. The person offering can decide how much. But the person receiving says yes/no.

Now in theory a 99/1 split should still be accepted as both gain. But in practice once over about 80/20 people start to reject.

[AtW]

But when enough poor people get shafted they will rebel.

That's where Korbyn comes in - rich people will become poor, so the poor won't rebel.

[MicrosoftBob]

I cannot see for the life of me where he has ever challenged the behaviour, policies and actions of any of the dodgy terrorist groups he has engaged with.

That's his mantra, all war criminals are to be listened to except Tony Bliar