Immigration or humanitarian crisis?

[SpontaneousOrder]

Yes, all caused by us, our misdeeds are biting us the arse yet you still deny it.

Pay back time.

We need to come together not fuk them off. It's the decent thing to do.

'We' / 'Us', btw, doesn't include me.

**edit** although I largely agree that this current crisis is home-made. But I think a better response would be to reject the current statist paradigm, which can only serve corruption, and ensure it doesn't happen in future.

Continually going along with the status quo, making guilt-filled amends, while watching disaster after inevitable disaster happen repeatedly, reminds me of the school bully and the nerd... "Stop hitting yourself... Stop hitting yourself... Stop hitting yourself..."

[unixman]

Wanting to help is great. But you can't afford to forget that these countries are largely peopled by savages.
Be careful you don't throw away a thousand years of cultural progress.

Just because ISIS are backward and made a few snuff movies does not mean the middle east is all savages. IIRC Iraq has 7000 years of civilization, in fact that is where recorded history begins, as they (Babylonians) invented writing. At least according to my history book.

On another subject, I agree with another poster that we are playing our part in encouraging the deadly migration trafficking/trade. By making rules to keep economic migrants out, but actually letting them stay when they get here (the UK), aren't we (Europe), in a way, being very cruel ? "You can't come here! But look, if you can jump the razor wire and through the burning hoop, you can stay! Just look at the fantastic lifestyle you can have! All you have to is put your family in the trafficker's boat, and...".

Would it be less cruel to send people right back, and by discouraging migration, stop the dying? It seems to be a choice between evils.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Just because ISIS are backward and made a few snuff movies does not mean the middle east is all savages. IIRC Iraq has 7000 years of civilization, in fact that is where recorded history begins, as they (Babylonians) invented writing. At least according to my history book.

7000 years of savagery doesn't stop being savagery just because some people know how to read & write.
Moreover the state of the middle east 7000 years ago has nothing to do with the state of the middle east now.

Take your civilisation over there and see how long their civility lasts before you lose your hands - or worse.

They're predominantly superstitious, bigoted, violent, ignorant, & intolerant cultures.

Those people can benefit from living here, but if you wholesale import - and more importantly sponsor at the tax payer's expense - those more primitive cultures you undo something very precious which you probably take for granted.

[SpontaneousOrder]

in fact that is where recorded history begins, as they (Babylonians) invented writing. At least according to my history book.

And if you read the Epic of Gilgamesh (which is pretty good btw) - probably the first proper literary work - you'll see that they were proper *****.

[d000hg]

we cannot have them all come here without ruining or standard of living. There are hundreds of millions who want to come here.

Do you mean the UK or the EU by 'here'?

Clearly the UK cannot take in the world's refugees but is "we can't help them all" really an argument for "so we shouldn't help any of them"? Look at soup kitchens and homeless shelters in deprived cities - they can't feed and house everyone who turns up which must be heart-breaking when they have to close the doors to a queue of desperate people - but that doesn't stop them helping those they have resources for.

[LondonManc]

Do you mean the UK or the EU by 'here'?

Clearly the UK cannot take in the world's refugees but is "we can't help them all" really an argument for "so we shouldn't help any of them"? Look at soup kitchens and homeless shelters in deprived cities - they can't feed and house everyone who turns up which must be heart-breaking when they have to close the doors to a queue of desperate people - but that doesn't stop them helping those they have resources for.

We're having enough trouble supporting our own. Until the uber-rich reinvest some of their wealth (through a new-found philanthropist approach that they have shown no signs of), then we need to concentrate our efforts internally. Close the borders, assess what we've got because we haven't a clue who's here at the moment anyway!

[DodgyAgent]

We're having enough trouble supporting our own. Until the uber-rich reinvest some of their wealth (through a new-found philanthropist approach that they have shown no signs of), then we need to concentrate our efforts internally. Close the borders, assess what we've got because we haven't a clue who's here at the moment anyway!

What a stupid thing to say. How much precisely do you think the uber rich have in ready liquid cash to give away? Do you realise that most of their wealth is tied up in assets that would need to be sold. When these assets are sold who buys them? The refugees or other "uber rich" people?

[BrilloPad]

Migrant crisis: Pressure mounts as UK urged to 'do more' - BBC News

I think a lot more people are wishing they voted UKIP.

[d000hg]

We're having enough trouble supporting our own. Until the uber-rich reinvest some of their wealth (through a new-found philanthropist approach that they have shown no signs of), then we need to concentrate our efforts internally. Close the borders, assess what we've got because we haven't a clue who's here at the moment anyway!

What utter rubbish. It is not the responsibility of the "uber rich" to help those in need, it's the responsibility of anyone who has something to spare.

And isn't the idea of nationalism a little antiquated these days anyway?

[darmstadt]

Migrant crisis: Pressure mounts as UK urged to 'do more' - BBC News

I think a lot more people are wishing they voted UKIP.

But aren't UKIP just refugees from the other political parties