Immigration or humanitarian crisis?

**DodgyAgent** · 2 September 2015, 15:22

Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post

What part should the UK play in this? Does the UK make things worse when it tries to interfere overseas?

The spectator has the solution: Here's the answer to your migrant crisis, Mr Cameron - Spectator Blogs

**AtW** · 2 September 2015, 15:22

Romans had this idea - hire barbarians at the borders of the Empire to guard them...

**LondonManc** · 2 September 2015, 15:30

We've got more people than ever needing food banks yet people want to try to prop up even more?

**BrilloPad** · 2 September 2015, 15:31

Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post

The spectator has the solution: Here's the answer to your migrant crisis, Mr Cameron - Spectator Blogs

Europe can do that by fostering a Syria–in-exile economy located in Jordan and other neighbouring countries. Working in this economy would restore some dignity to the daily lives of refugees and offer them credible hope of a return to normality. Providing a skilled minority of Syrians with dream lives in Europe is not the answer: it would be detrimental to recovery because once settled in Europe, with their children in schooling, such people would be unlikely to go back to a post-conflict society. In consequence, it would gut Syria of the very people it will most need. It is an intellectually lazy feel-good policy for the bien‑pensant.

This legal structure is not just foolish, it is deeply immoral. Europe has a duty to fish refugees out of the sea because it is morally responsible for tempting them on to the sea. So whatever else Europe does, it must stop this policy of temptation. Paying a crook thousands of dollars for a place on a boat should not entitle a Syrian refugee to a more privileged entry to Europe. It is profoundly unfair to the other suffering refugees.

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So Europe should seal its borders and leave the arab world to it?

**BrilloPad** · 2 September 2015, 15:32

Originally posted by LondonManc View Post

We've got more people than ever needing food banks yet people want to try to prop up even more?

Due to a handful of bankers/politicans the average wealth is still quite high.

Add in the money they have stashed offshore and this country would be very rich.

**fullyautomatix** · 2 September 2015, 15:40

I think the mainstream media like BBC should stop referring them as "migrants". They are not migrants but refugees and asylum seekers. They would not have fled their country with just the clothes they are wearing with their children on their shoulders if they were migrants. Its heart breaking to see bodies of children wash up on the sea shore. Some empathy needs to be shown towards those who are displaced forcibly.

**BrilloPad** · 2 September 2015, 15:49

Originally posted by fullyautomatix View Post

I think the mainstream media like BBC should stop referring them as "migrants". They are not migrants but refugees and asylum seekers. They would not have fled their country with just the clothes they are wearing with their children on their shoulders if they were migrants. Its heart breaking to see bodies of children wash up on the sea shore. Some empathy needs to be shown towards those who are displaced forcibly.

And they are also human.

I just wonder if the UK can do anything to sort Syria out. Every time we get involved militarily it seems to be a total disaster.

Other Arab countries have loads of money. Why can't Saudi take all the migrants?

**DodgyAgent** · 2 September 2015, 15:50

Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post

Europe can do that by fostering a Syria–in-exile economy located in Jordan and other neighbouring countries. Working in this economy would restore some dignity to the daily lives of refugees and offer them credible hope of a return to normality. Providing a skilled minority of Syrians with dream lives in Europe is not the answer: it would be detrimental to recovery because once settled in Europe, with their children in schooling, such people would be unlikely to go back to a post-conflict society. In consequence, it would gut Syria of the very people it will most need. It is an intellectually lazy feel-good policy for the bien‑pensant.

This legal structure is not just foolish, it is deeply immoral. Europe has a duty to fish refugees out of the sea because it is morally responsible for tempting them on to the sea. So whatever else Europe does, it must stop this policy of temptation. Paying a crook thousands of dollars for a place on a boat should not entitle a Syrian refugee to a more privileged entry to Europe. It is profoundly unfair to the other suffering refugees.

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So Europe should seal its borders and leave the arab world to it?

What do you suggest?

**tomtomagain** · 2 September 2015, 15:51

Originally posted by fullyautomatix View Post

I think the mainstream media like BBC should stop referring them as "migrants". They are not migrants but refugees and asylum seekers. They would not have fled their country with just the clothes they are wearing with their children on their shoulders if they were migrants. Its heart breaking to see bodies of children wash up on the sea shore. Some empathy needs to be shown towards those who are displaced forcibly.

That's right, there are very different categories of people moving on-mass to Europe with different causes but they are being lumped together as a single problem.

The refugees situation will only be solved when some sort of stability and peace is brought to Syria et al. Easy to state. Very hard to implement.

Immigration or humanitarian crisis?