If Corbyn gets in

[EternalOptimist]

If he gets in as PM, I predict a massive increase in smuggling.
Smuggling baby-milk into Venezuela is rocketing right now

[Jog On]

Ah this old chesnut ...

So all the voters who didn't vote will vote Corbyn, plus all the Labour voters from the last GE and that will put you up to 40%? Dream on.


Again - Reality doesn't live in your world.

Where did I say that?

[unixman]

Corbyn is doing what politicians always do in his position. Saying attractive words about many things without referring to policy, except in the broadest terms, or on irrelevant subjects. Hence he will speak charmingly of women-only train carriages, but somehow fail to mention how the UK deficit is to be reduced, or the economy managed, or how we can balance our trade with China against its poor human rights record, or what he will do with inheritance tax.

In his position, you can say anything about anything, because you are not in power and your words are not put to the test.

As a general election approaches, he would (if labour leader) be pressed to give more detailed responses, and eventually a published manifesto. His responses, if they are an honest reflection of his politics, will be electoral suicide.

[jbond007]

Exactly ! Well said AtW, across the country people like you, hard working and intelligent are suddenly very excited about the future with Corbyn as leader. He will power his way to Labour leadership and then hammer the Tories in 2020 if not before.

It's not that straightforward though, is it ! Wouldn't Corbyn first have to get his manifesto agreed by his own party ? At the moment, it his his own personal views, but if we wants the whole party to stand behind it - surely the party have to agree to it. This in itself will pose a challenge. I'm sure he will have to make significant concessions and will have to pick and choose some of his socialists policies.

Then, he has 4+ years to keep on hammering Tories. This could backfire as well as he isn't that strong on immigration policies. Also, some of his socialist policies on nationalising means he will have to fund that from somewhere else. Most likely tax rises - and this would lead to very interesting views from the public. What does he see as "rich". Will he go after people earning £50k+ ? £60k+ ? This will further alienate a significant chunk of voters.

All this assumes that him winning the leadership will not break the Labour party in the first place, in which case - he may not even have enough MP's for majority. He could do a coalition, depending on how many MP's he ends up with, but then again that would mean more compromises on his policies

I don't see this thing with Corbyn resulting in a happy ending. He will ultimately realise he will have to make huge compromises if he wants to be in power. He may end up like Tsipras - promise people something but once in power realise it isn't possible to deliver and end up doing a massive U-turn

[tomtomagain]

I respect your view that Corbyn has integrity, but honestly, What is he really advocating? A return to the 70's? Nationalised industries, return of Union power, centralised industrial control. - Politics aside, a complete economic disaster for the UK.

When it came down to a choice between the Tories or a Labour/SNP alliance the electorate outside of Scotland swung straight over to the Tories.

How is Corbyn going to present anything that would look any different from what the majority of people who voted in the 2015 GE against? What is his policy on Immigration?

55% of English voters voted either Tory or UKIP.

Absolutely spot on. Corbyn has a "New" feel to him .... but only because he's been ignored for 32 years. He is not an outsider. He's part of the political establishment. The guy has 32 years of service with his employer. This is not a man of the people. This is a man who's been living off the people for the majority of his working life.

He isn't radical and doesn't have any forward thinking policies. Those that he does have will be torn to pieces by the media and his political opponents.

The Labour party is not going to reunite behind him. No serious Labour politician is going to support him if he wins ... because they all think he wont last a year. So he's going to fill his "Shadow cabinet" with a series of also-rans.

He's never even towed his own party line. Do you think he's actually got the calibre and experience to run an organisation such as the Labour party?

[tomtomagain]

Will he go after people earning £50k+ ? £60k+ ?

That's way to high. He believes in equality. The average salary is 24k. Anyone above average must be brought down and anyone below average raised up.

Regardless of the merits or capabilities of the individual.

It's only fair.

[AtW]

Corbyn is doing what politicians always do in his position. Saying attractive words about many things without referring to policy, except in the broadest terms, or on irrelevant subjects.

You mean like Osborne did talking up his party as "pro-business" etc???

Tories already made changes that made contracting more or less taxed same as permanent jobs, it can't possibly be worse voting for Labour now, heck - now it becomes clear how good Labour really were for business!!!

[Ticktock]

it can't possibly be worse voting for Labour now

Yes. Yes, it can.

[unixman]

Labour should never have held their election in the silly season. Right now, anything goes. Come October it is all dark reality and beer festivals.

[Jog On]

You mean like Osborne did talking up his party as "pro-business" etc???

Tories already made changes that made contracting more or less taxed same as permanent jobs, it can't possibly be worse voting for Labour now, heck - now it becomes clear how good Labour really were for business!!!

+1

We've been so shafted by the party who should have our backs (with more annual budgets to come) - what is there to lose with a left wing government?