If Corbyn gets in

[AtW]

not read all the thread - but I think the rise of Corbyn is because everyone is completely sick of mainstream politics and the media trained meffs that don't think of anything other than getting their own skins back into power next time.

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It's clear that there is no difference between Liebor and Cons.

[DodgyAgent]

not read all the thread - but I think the rise of Corbyn is because everyone is completely sick of mainstream politics and the media trained meffs that don't think of anything other than getting their own skins back into power next time.

At least this fella stands for something, and if he is to be believed (and I am not suggesting he should be - as I don't trust any of them) he is proposing working across the party and newly engaged electorate to develop policies which actually reflect the view of the people that politicians are meant to represent.

With those policies at the core of a refreshed opposition, the face can change to a more palatable one, but with a core of genuine polices that people can support, as opposed to a different shade of tory that new labour ended up being.

I doubt it will happen, and it might have a knock on impact in terms of credible alternatives, but at least after thats all done there will be a credible alternative that doesn't swing it's views with every opinion poll.

UKIP have already cornered the disaffected from all parties

[AtW]

UKIP have already cornered the disaffected from all parties

UKIP can't win more than a few seats.

Labour can.

[DodgyAgent]

UKIP can't win more than a few seats.

Labour can.

UKIP are where the disaffected have turned to. Corbyn only attracts dissafected lefties and people who believe they are victims. So he is competing with Russel Brand (who has no seats in parliament)

[Danglekt]

the point is everyone is focusing (as all the politicans are) on the next election, and their skin at that point.

In the longer game, if there is a willingness to sacrifice short term popularity of labour to build a credible alternative policies, it could actually build to something that is a true counter point to the centre right.

Ref UKIP... I don't want to even consider the idea of them snatching more seats in the meantime *shudders*

[AtW]

UKIP are where the disaffected have turned to. Corbyn only attracts dissafected lefties and people who believe they are victims. So he is competing with Russel Brand (who has no seats in parliament)

I am an ex-Tory voter and Corbyn will get my vote. Would not vote for any of the slime bags who are same as Tories (went to same schools too)

[Danglekt]

If he does what he claims - and I doubt he actually will, the point is it doesn't matter what HIS view is on stuff, or what the CURRENT policy - rather that their will be genuine dialogue to CREATE credible policies - not based on swing polls or whats trending on twitter, but on genuine opinions of large groups of people.

Wouldn't it be novel for the election to be less about a popularity contest between the two prospective PM's and instead genuinely about policy?

[LondonManc]

the point is everyone is focusing (as all the politicans are) on the next election, and their skin at that point.

In the longer game, if there is a willingness to sacrifice short term popularity of labour to build a credible alternative policies, it could actually build to something that is a true counter point to the centre right.

Ref UKIP... I don't want to even consider the idea of them snatching more seats in the meantime *shudders*

A properly run UKIP would be the equivalent on the right to Corbyn on the left. A split from the centre by Tories and Labour could see LibDems be resurrected. Until then, they're all smarmy self serving ********* ******** ***** *******s with different coloured ties (or no tie).

[DodgyAgent]

If he does what he claims - and I doubt he actually will, the point is it doesn't matter what HIS view is on stuff, or what the CURRENT policy - rather that their will be genuine dialogue to CREATE credible policies - not based on swing polls or whats trending on twitter, but on genuine opinions of large groups of people.

Wouldn't it be novel for the election to be less about a popularity contest between the two prospective PM's and instead genuinely about policy?

So which of corbyn's policies are new and where have any of them worked before?

[Chuck]

I'd previously dismissed his chances of ever becoming PM as nil.

However, I'm now not so sure. The vast majority of constituencies never change hands. Labour voters will always vote Labour. Conservatives will always vote Conservative.

He might be a lunatic but I doubt even a handful of Labour seats would change hands with him at the helm.

Also, he will appeal to Scottish voters as they love a bit of socialism and kicking the achievers and better off. He could take seats back from the SNP.

Suddenly I'm not so confident that he could ever have real power. I doubt it, but I no longer feel it's impossible.