Nazis or just dumb?

[d000hg]

Typical lefty crap. There are very obvious differences between Jews in Nazi Germany and the illegal immigrants assailing Calais.

I think you may be missing the point they are making.

[xoggoth]

I think you may be missing the point they are making

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.

Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

All this casting of nationalism with the Nazis is ludicrous in the context of history. Hitler came to power in 1933 and died in 1945 yet you take this 13 years in one country from thousands of years of documented world history to demonise a whole concept. Maybe you should look at the facts. All the major conflicts that kill most people today are not those between one nationalist state and another but are between groups within nations and this has been true over the last 50 years. Would there be tension between Ukraine and Russia if not for those within Ukraine who see themselves as Russian? Look at all the terrorist threats in the UK since 2001, what has kicked off most of the major riots in the last 60 years. A common bond between peoples of a nation is a very positive thing.

Most of your quotes there are just unfounded conclusions or non sequiturs. A single policy resembles that of Hitler's? Maybe we should stop trying to improve the economy or cure inflation then, Hitler did those things rather well. Only 1% of all asylum seekers make it to the UK? It was still 25k a year in 2014 before the problem in Calais got so bad despite all our "racist" efforts to keep them out. If we simply let them in what do you think the figure would be? They don't just spread out throughout the UK but go to areas where their countrymen live and the impacts on those can be quite significant. When 80% are in social housing or 7% have special support needs, as with Eritreans in Birmingham, it means fewer of our own people can receive such things.

Crime in Kent fell over a three-year period in which the number of asylum seekers rose? What evidence do you have of any link between those figures, given that crime (supposedly) has fallen significantly in most of the UK in recent years? Given their low % of the population and the fact that many are "children" in care it looks like total crap.

[vetran]

I think you may be missing the point they are making.

what if you pick some phrases and pop them on a bonfire then the flames get higher?

I'm sure if you popped some of the more conciliatory passages from the Bible on the Granuid when we are invaded by flesh eating Aliens with 3 heads some idiot would upvote them.

[darmstadt]

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.
Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

How does this help its citizens: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...l-GNI-2014.pdf

Look at all the terrorist threats in the UK since 2001, what has kicked off most of the major riots in the last 60 years. A common bond between peoples of a nation is a very positive thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_England_riots - these were primarily race riots but I think the mitigating factors need to be taken into account
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_May_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...ewish_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitalfield_Riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fitz_Osbert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_N...ill_race_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lewisham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm_riot

And many more. There seems to be a couple of common themes, either the poor don't like the rich or the people don't like foreigners although later riots tend to be more political and less racial.

I wonder what the British people's outlook on migrants if say, they were all white, came from somewhere like Holland which had either suffered a bad economic downturn or extreme political changes?

[darmstadt]

Then kindly elaborate for me d0000000000000000gh.

Typical crap there Darmstadt. IMO a government's primary duty is to its citizens, the citizens who vote for it, the citizens whose taxes pay for the state.

Also, how have Britain's recent military excursions into the Middle East helped the citizens of Britain? If anything its exacerbated the migrant problem, its eroded British citizens freedom and privacy through new, ambiguously, titled anti-terrorist laws all of which would quite possibly never have happened if these 'holidays in the sun' never happened.

[xoggoth]

Also, how have Britain's recent military excursions into the Middle East helped the citizens of Britain? If anything its exacerbated the migrant problem, its eroded British citizens freedom and privacy through new, ambiguously, titled anti-terrorist laws all of which would quite possibly never have happened if these 'holidays in the sun' never happened.

On that I am in entire agreement but if we had had a more nationalist bent we probably would not have done so. It is the idea that we have a global responsibility for mankind that drives these disastrous, if well intentioned, interventions. Whatever else one can say about most modern nationalist groups they do at least have the practical view that we should not interfere in other nations. It rarely does any good.

Not sure what you are trying to say with that riot list as all the recent ones (and even one ancient one) confirmed what I said, that most major riots of the last 60 years were about racial tensions. One can argue about whose fault it is till kingdom come but, with immigration, the causes should be irrelevant as we need never have had the problem in the first place. We need stricter controls to ensure that migrants, and their descendants, will integrate and succeed in the UK. Those are the important factors, not race as such.

[xoggoth]

Glad to see people don't just dismiss Wikipedia nowadays. High crime among young male migrants is not some Mail invention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Mind you "migrants", like so many other terms, black, Muslim etc we see in these things is far too broad a brush. Reasonable numbers of high performing, properly checked migrants are not the problem. It is not race/religion that matters but education, ability, willingness to accept our main principles and to integrate. Our papers/political parties should be making this distinction.

PS Ask it again. Why do people always slate the Daily Mail? The Daily Express is the more anti EU, anti migrant paper. Don't read it, but the Sun too by all accounts. The DM would never publish an article like Katie Hopkins's.

[teapot418]

PS Ask it again. Why do people always slate the Daily Mail? The Daily Express is the more anti EU, anti migrant paper. Don't read it, but the Sun too by all accounts. The DM would never publish an article like Katie Hopkins's.

I think it's because the Mail pretends to be just slightly more credible than the Sun - which never dresses itself up as anything other than titillating trash.