Skills shortages

[MrMarkyMark]

OK, we will agree to disagree .
Hopefully you were playing a slight devils advocate, as this is general after all .

[alphadog]

These numpties banging on about engineering skills shortages need to have their heads read.

In 13 years of contracting in London, I've never known a time where there were so many skilled engineers out of work.

The last thing this market needs is more unemployed engineers.

[sal]

A lot of people around here are trying to compare UK contractors skills to East Europe/Asia permies skills, obviously the later are worse. Not to mention that off-shoring often involve the bottom of the barrel people from the EE/Asia as lower cost is the main driving factor which even worsens the gap in skills.

If you on the other hand you compare UK permies (which are the predominant work force) to EE/Asia permies working in their respective countries you might find that the skill gap is gone or even reversed.

It amazes me how people that never lived in EE/Asia brand the people there inferior, less educated and lower skilled, based on a stereotype and not much less.

[BrilloPad]

These numpties banging on about engineering skills shortages need to have their heads read.

In 13 years of contracting in London, I've never known a time where there were so many skilled engineers out of work.

The last thing this market needs is more unemployed engineers.

Employers would love to get rates down to 3rd world levels.

They need more speedboats to water ski behind.

[cojak]

too expensive - british people generally demand to be paid more to work less hard than eastern european/asian equivalents, doesn't make sense commercially

What a load of twaddle. Coming from the last 2 years I've seen projects regularly work 10-12 hours (and weekends).

Brits work some of the longest hours in Europe.

[BrilloPad]

What a load of twaddle. Coming from the last 2 years I've seen projects regularly work 10-12 hours (and weekends).

Brits work some of the longest hours in Europe.

Extrapolation from a sample size of 1.

I agree that Brits work some of the longest hours in Western Europe.

The original quote was for Eastern Europe/Asia.

I can only comment on the Indians I have worked with. But they have worked longer hours for a lot less money.

[VectraMan]

Brits work some of the longest hours in Europe.

And the French are still more productive than us even after all getting drunk at lunchtime.

[BrilloPad]

And the French are still more productive than us even after all getting drunk at lunchtime.

Except their police.

French border Police activate Bat-Signal and piss off home

“There is only so much one can do,” said Commanding Officer, Martin Du Creife.

“We had done all we could; we had looked at all of the migrants, sighed a bit, told them to ‘shoo’, and none of that worked.”

“We considered calling in the French army, but to be honest that’s more of a paradox than an actual thing.”

[MicrosoftBob]

Extrapolation from a sample size of 1.

I agree that Brits work some of the longest hours in Western Europe.

The original quote was for Eastern Europe/Asia.

I can only comment on the Indians I have worked with. But they have googled for longer hours for a lot less money.

FTFY

[zemoxyl]

These numpties banging on about engineering skills shortages need to have their heads read. In 13 years of contracting in London, I've never known a time where there were so many skilled engineers out of work. The last thing this market needs is more unemployed engineers.

I've heard this 'skills shortage' guff for nigh on 40 years. There's a shortage of Ph.D. educated scientists and engineers around Cambridge with numerous positions offering £35-45K. I won't give a link and give them publicity.
Any old timer engineers I know still in the game have fled to Switzerland where they get a living wage. Switzerland !

As for women ? Jeez there's no shortage of women practitioners in law.medicine and accountancy. I think the term 'stable environment' might have something to do with it. As for cajoling people into doing stuff not of their own volition : I do wish these talking heads would STFU and let people choose for themselves. Not to mention the fact that a proper engineering course starts with a 4-year M.Eng degree and £60K worth of debt.