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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostSome of them could do with a good reboot as well.
DLR only for me, so no fcuks given.
Feel sorry for my daughter though. Works up near Russell Square and took her four hours each way last time for what is usually an hour journey.
DLR security and cleaning staff set for 48-hour strike - BBC News“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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I wonder if people actually realise that the majority of strikers were actually station staff who don't get 52 days paid holiday a year and earn a heck of a lot less than a driver yet are suddenly being asked to work even more anti-social hours than they already do and that the strike is not actually about pay but about working patterns? Thought not, but don't let facts get in the way And for the permies, remember if you want the same working conditions as a tube driver, maybe you should join a union“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostI wonder if people actually realise that the majority of strikers were actually station staff who don't get 52 days paid holiday a year and earn a heck of a lot less than a driver yet are suddenly being asked to work even more anti-social hours than they already do and that the strike is not actually about pay but about working patterns? Thought not, but don't let facts get in the way And for the permies, remember if you want the same working conditions as a tube driver, maybe you should join a union
I remember when we had the olympics, the bus union demanded everyone get an extra 500 quid cos they will have a bit more workload. These transport unions are annoying as hell.
"It added bus workers were the only London transport workers not receiving an award for their extra effort during the Olympics."
London 2012: Bus drivers to strike over Olympics payments - BBC News
bloody didumsUnless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes.
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Bus drivers in London are employed by multiple different companies. Some are on tulip wages while others are on better wages.
Ideally they would change employers but it doesn't work like that as some companies only employ those who live within the local area to get away with their tulip wage levels. Oddly those companies have a lot of adverts up. (They also advertise in job centres.)
Oh and during the Olympics if it wasn't for buses I wouldn't have been able to get across London to the events I had tickets for."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostI wonder if people actually realise that the majority of strikers were actually station staff who don't get 52 days paid holiday a year and earn a heck of a lot less than a driver yet are suddenly being asked to work even more anti-social hours than they already do and that the strike is not actually about pay but about working patterns? Thought not, but don't let facts get in the way And for the permies, remember if you want the same working conditions as a tube driver, maybe you should join a union
"It is a very good offer, No one has to work more hours than they do. Train operators already have 42 days of leave, 52 for station staff. These are very considerable sums of money. They already get a very good deal."bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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PS The main sticking points seems to be here:
Mr Brennan said: "The main concern is the complete lack of firm commitments on work life balance for train drivers. Our members want guarantees on the number of weekend rest days they will have under both the interim and long term arrangements for night Tube. Vague phrases like "will seek to mitigate" and "will explore" are simply unconvincingLU said the unions were continuing to demand more money, the hiring of more staff - including for ticket offices that customers no longer use - and further guarantees on what they consider to be issues around work-life balance, including a 32 hour, four day week.
The changed offer included an extra £200 per night Tube shift for drivers while the new service is introduced and a £500 bonus for station staff by next February. After a short transition period while the service is introduced, drivers will have the choice whether to work nights, said LU, and everyone will be entitled to two days off in seven.A spokesman for Mr Johnson said: "Despite the fair, sensible and generous offer on the table - which will see no one working more hours than they do today - the unions have chosen not to put it to their members and to reject it outright.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostAccording to Boris Johnson, and one would assume he would check his facts before making public statements, station staff do get 52 days paid holiday a year, are not being required to work extra hours and their pay is already generous.
Tube strike: staff get 52 days holiday a year, Boris Johnson says - Telegraph
The trial period, after which tube staff will have the right to refuse night shifts, in fact lasts for a year. A year is a very long time to have to suddenly make new arrangements if, for example, a spouse is depending on childcare. There’s also no guarantee that staff would get their regular hours back if they refuse night shifts.
The unions say the offer fundamentally does not change their key concern, that no proper system has been agreed for night shifts, and staff will be rostered to work all night without consultation.
Drivers work unsociable hours. They can be working three out of four weekends and almost every bank holiday and have been doing so for many years. For managers to come along and say we are introducing a night tube and not consult the drivers and station staff and enforce a new working pattern on them without consulting them is unethical.
We could work 17 weekends and have one off, potentially. The unions in previous years have fought for our work conditions and have kept our jobs secure. I am on a fixed term contract with London Underground at a time where my job future with London Underground is in question yet they are hiring new staff on permanent contracts around me.
I feel alienated by a company that treats staff as if they are slaves. In any work place where terms and conditions are changed without consultation there will be uproar. Thankfully we have our unions to back us.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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This one worth reading too, give all the details of what's LU has offered and the guarantees:
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/pr...reject-new-off
We could work 17 weekends and have one off, potentially.
•Assurances on work-life balance - with amended rosters and the new staff already hired for Night Tube, which will give drivers the same number of weekends off as they receive now.
•No-one will be asked to work more hours than they do today to run the Night Tube. After a short transitional period while the service is introduced, drivers will have the choice as to whether they work nights or not
•Everybody will remain entitled to two days off in sevenLast edited by xoggoth; 6 August 2015, 20:20.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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I find it hard to have sympathy having busted my arse off my entire life, and fought tooth and nail to train my skills up and increase my salary and career prospects.
If your job sucks, get another job. If you can't because you don't have any skills, go and learn some, then get another job. I did, from my first junior dev job paying about 15k, and during every job thereafter.
At no point did I stop showing up and start running their businesses into the ground in order to force them to pay me more money, whilst blocking them from being able to do anything about it.Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes.
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