Course in Software Engineering

[minestrone]

Pick a language, google the community, read tulip, read more tulip. Don't need no stinkin' courses.

That is pretty much what they did in the 17th, 18th and 19th century with mechanical, civil and electrical. Bridges fell down, steam engines blew up and dodgy power stations killed hundreds of people daily.

Engineering is a profession that requires a formal academic training, please don't perpetuate the myth that it can be gained with a bit of self reading and youthful enthusiasm.

[northernladuk]

Don't forget to include the Films About Gladiators (FAG) module, that will carry extra credibility.

And bleeding radiators for men (RAD Dude)

[cojak]

I saw that he'd posted this in General and decided that it WAS in the right forum...

[SueEllen]

That is pretty much what they did in the 17th, 18th and 19th century with mechanical, civil and electrical. Bridges fell down, steam engines blew up and dodgy power stations killed hundreds of people daily.

Engineering is a profession that requires a formal academic training, please don't perpetuate the myth that it can be gained with a bit of self reading and youthful enthusiasm.

That's why no bridges built today have ever wobbled when they have opened....

I've worked with people who haven't got formal academic training some of them have been engineers.

[tractor]

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That's why no bridges built today have ever wobbled when they have opened....

I've worked with people who haven't got formal academic training some of them have been engineers.

And I have been kept in contract by some very highly qualified people who are also experts in Access/VBA.

[SpontaneousOrder]

That is pretty much what they did in the 17th, 18th and 19th century with mechanical, civil and electrical. Bridges fell down, steam engines blew up and dodgy power stations killed hundreds of people daily.

Engineering is a profession that requires a formal academic training, please don't perpetuate the myth that it can be gained with a bit of self reading and youthful enthusiasm.

Software Engineering isn't 'engineering'. It's silly comparison to make - but our industry is so new, relatively speaking, that we don't have a better word.

Apart from that, you're talking nonsense. Academic training in this domain, for the most part, is decades out of date and not fit for purpose. The real learning is to be found in the communities.

[minestrone]

I've worked with people who haven't got formal academic training some of them have been engineers.

Sadly anyone in this country can call themselves an Engineer. It should be made a reserved title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regula...in_engineering

FFS, even India reserves the title.

It is undoubtedly one of the factors in why so few people here study engineering as it is not given the status that other countries give.

[minestrone]

Software Engineering isn't 'engineering'. It's silly comparison to make - but our industry is so new, relatively speaking, that we don't have a better word.

Apart from that, you're talking nonsense. Academic training in this domain, for the most part, is decades out of date and not fit for purpose. The real learning is to be found in the communities.

Pretty much every system I have worked on in nearly 20 years of programing has originated by one person 'having a shot' at the first cut of the code then multiple people piling in with adding on various bits.

The quality of the produce of the software industry in this country is quite frankly shambolic and that can be put down to 'have a go heroes' who read a bit online and went for it.

The faster we get some kind of formal accredited training procedure in design practices the better.

It will never happen.

For what it is worth I regard myself an Engineer as I have a BEng(Hons), I don't use the title in the IT industry.

[zemoxyl]

Software Engineering isn't 'engineering'.

Web search 'professor of software engineering' ....

First hit :

Department of Computer Science: Jim Davies
Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford : Home › People
Professor Jim Davies CITP. Professor of Software Engineering. Director, Software Engineering Programme. Governing Body Fellow, Kellogg College.

Clearly this guy thinks it is.

But Stroney above is quite correct ; had it been a legally observed title as in Germany and other European countries, then the 'have-a-go-heroes' would be an ex species by now.

[SueEllen]

Pretty much every system I have worked on in nearly 20 years of programing has originated by one person 'having a shot' at the first cut of the code then multiple people piling in with adding on various bits.

The quality of the produce of the software industry in this country is quite frankly shambolic and that can be put down to 'have a go heroes' who read a bit online and went for it.

The faster we get some kind of formal accredited training procedure in design practices the better.

It will never happen.

For what it is worth I regard myself an Engineer as I have a BEng(Hons), I don't use the title in the IT industry.

That's partly due to prototypes going into production instead of being thrown away.

I've spoken to people who are horrified that the prototype they coded is now the basis of some important production application even though it's using such things as an excel spreadsheet to do calculations.