Why don't they just change their religion?

[BrilloPad]

If you talked about blacks or gays the same way you talk about people who have a particular religious outlook, you'd be given very short shrift.

Try watching Frankie Boyle's election autopsy on iplayer. Some guy on there was saying that according to white people all black immigrants are immigrants but all white immigrants are ex-pats. Shocked the bbc aired it.

[Ticktock]

Glen, I know I've accused you of low intelligence, but please prove me wrong.

Read your signature. Think about it. Think about how flawed it is. Think about why the guy said it, and that it's apparently some sort of slogan.

If you can't understand how it's just a populist phrase, aimed at the more easily-led mob-mentality element of atheism, which cannot be backed up in reality or fact then I despair. Also, it means you're probably one of that group.

If you can, why don't you change it for something anti-religious that isn't so easily refuted? I don't know what, maybe something like "Kick a nun to death and save a soul" or something would reflect your vitriol, your belief that religion is such a terrible thing and your general desire to shock.

[MicrosoftBob]

And that makes it alright does it?

The phrase "hate speech" is over-used PC codswallop most of the time, but it seems to me that hate speech towards any segment of the community is pretty disgusting behaviour. If you talked about blacks or gays the same way you talk about people who have a particular religious outlook, you'd be given very short shrift. Hate is hate. The venom and vitriol you exhibit over religion indicates that you're a pretty unpleasant person - Ticktock's depiction of you as 14 year old troll seems a fairly apt description. In another age, you'd be joining in the gay bashing.

Now, I really hope you're not like that - but this is the impression you are giving.

It's not like he's a diversity officer tweeting hashtags like#killallwhitemen from their official university twitter account

[NotAllThere]

As I said I was asking the question not making assumptions. i agree that you should question whether it would make any difference. Maybe they should negotiate and find out under what circumstances they would be allowed to live on equal terms as all other Burmese.

As I understand it's kind of complicated by the fact that there is a militia group associated with this particular ethnicity that's been fighting the government for quite a while. So it isn't just religion that's the driving factor.

People cjoose their religious outlook

The vast majority of people are born to their religious outlook

and their religion is not based on any logic or reality. It is a superstition.

Anyone who's done even the most cursory study will know that there is a vast different between superstition and religion. Many non-religious people are highly superstitious, so the two cannot possibly be synonymous.
Further, there are many people who've considered deeply the nature of their beliefs and continue to believe - precisely because they have evidence that satisfies them, and they find their religion logically consistent, and intimately connected to reality.

being black or gay is not brought about through choice. just because someone holds extreme views based upon religion does not put them above being challenged.

Now I can agree (though it wasn't that long ago that sexuality was considered to be a choice - even by the gay lobby). But there is a difference between challenging beliefs and demonstrating their stupidity and logical inconsistency (á la Dawkins), and spewing hatred and venom towards anyone who might hold such beliefs.

[NotAllThere]

Try watching Frankie Boyle's election autopsy on iplayer. Some guy on there was saying that according to white people all black immigrants are immigrants but all white immigrants are ex-pats. Shocked the bbc aired it.

I know a song about immigrants.

[DodgyAgent]

As I understand it's kind of complicated by the fact that there is a militia group associated with this particular ethnicity that's been fighting the government for quite a while. So it isn't just religion that's the driving factor.

The vast majority of people are born to their religious outlookAnyone who's done even the most cursory study will know that there is a vast different between superstition and religion. Many non-religious people are highly superstitious, so the two cannot possibly be synonymous.
Further, there are many people who've considered deeply the nature of their beliefs and continue to believe - precisely because they have evidence that satisfies them, and they find their religion logically consistent, and intimately connected to reality.
Now I can agree (though it wasn't that long ago that sexuality was considered to be a choice - even by the gay lobby). But there is a difference between challenging beliefs and demonstrating their stupidity and logical inconsistency (á la Dawkins), and spewing hatred and venom towards anyone who might hold such beliefs.

People can change their religion. They cannot change their colour. However you spin the argument whether they are born to it or not they pick it by choice.

On the matter of religion vs superstition the two things are the same simply because there is no material proof that supports their views. Under the "guise" of religion people can (and do) say and believe whatever they want without having to produce evidence to support.

I think your concept of "hate" and "venom" is directed at anyone that questions or challenges these so called beliefs.

[Troll]

I don't know I seem to be getting a reaction from you without trying too hard.

I have strong opinions on quite a few things; I oppose the death penalty, I'm a staunch republican, I favour our membership of the EU, but I don't think badly of people who disagree with these views. However, as I have already said on this thread, I have nothing but contempt for religious people.

Intolerant, bigoted and unpleasant? Yes, I guess I am on this subject.

Glen.. Just tell the shandy drinking , nappy wearing over zealous Mod to fook off - these are your beliefs and equally valid

[TheFaQQer]

and many who say they are been persecuted for their faith probably mean it is my chance to get out of this tuliphole so I will make something up...

Judges 12:6

[SpontaneousOrder]

I do understand that some people do, and can give them the respect of not going out of my way to belittle or insult them

Why not? You just insulted GlenW for something far less irrational.

[SpontaneousOrder]

It's where a rabid anti-immigration obsession leads.

And which road does another 10 years of rabid pro-immigration combined with 'giving away free tulip' lead to?

I'm all for comletely open borders, all things being equals - which they aren't. But you can't eat your cake and still have it. All ukip are guilty of is realising that irrevocable truth.