Gay Cakes

[xoggoth]

On Muslims being allowed to refuse to serve alcohol or pork I would say yes if it's a large company and assigning staff to different areas is not a problem, no if its a small company and the company profits would be impacted or other staff would be inconvenienced.

It is fair enough to cater for people' beliefs provided that they and only they pick up the bill for doing so. It is not up to the rest of us to pay the price for your religious beliefs.

[WordIsBond]

My own feeling is that very small companies, shops, B&Bs etc, should be able to make their own decisions on these issues. They are after all just individuals trading in their own right. To impose views on them is probably counterproductive and just raises resentment.

I mostly agree, but in this case, large companies should also be able to refuse. "Support Gay Marriage" was a political statement. It's not a political debate now in the rest of the UK, since gay marriage is now law and no one is really talking about repealing it. But it was a UK wide debate at the time, and it still is in NI, where there is no gay marriage.

No company, large or small, should be forced to provide a service to any political campaign of any type. And it is a chilling precedent when a government-funded agency / commission drags someone into court to compel them to provide services to a political campaign and calls it "discrimination."

[Batcher]

Nicola won't be pleased you've spilled the beans.

And I believed everything she says!

We've been on the road to independence since the 70s and we started planning indyref2 on 19th September. We just haven't told Nicola yet

[SueEllen]

No company, large or small, should be forced to provide a service to any political campaign of any type. And it is a chilling precedent when a government-funded agency / commission drags someone into court to compel them to provide services to a political campaign and calls it "discrimination."

The bakery were clearly bigots as they were too incensed to say we don't make cakes with political slogans on them or for political campaigning groups.

And they would have refused to make a cake more than a couple of times as the campaigning group wouldn't have found out otherwise....

[WordIsBond]

The bakery were clearly bigots

Presuming this is true, it is completely irrelevant to the point I made. A person or company's motivation for refusing to serve a political campaign is not relevant to the dangers of the precedent.

Compulsion to political speech is more Stalinist than British.

And they would have refused to make a cake more than a couple of times as the campaigning group wouldn't have found out otherwise....

Is there any evidence for this? If Lee knew they were going to refuse than he is lying. And again, this is irrelevant. It's still a compelled political message, whether they've refused it more than once or not.

[d000hg]

The bakery were clearly bigots

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions

So you're being quite bigoted yourself

[SueEllen]

Presuming this is true, it is completely irrelevant to the point I made. A person or company's motivation for refusing to serve a political campaign is not relevant to the dangers of the precedent.

Compulsion to political speech is more Stalinist than British.

Is there any evidence for this? If Lee knew they were going to refuse than he is lying. And again, this is irrelevant. It's still a compelled political message, whether they've refused it more than once or not.

They didn't say that though.

The reason these people get caught out is because they don't give logical unbigoted reasons for their refusals. Then they get support from some religious normally Christian group who are known for homophobic views.

Personally I would have made the cake and laughed thinking I would get more of the pink pound but then I'm a capitalist in that respect.

[SueEllen]

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions

So you're being quite bigoted yourself

Yep.

I don't like people who abuse children or think that 14-17 aren't children in certain matters.

I also have an issue with people who blow others up or kill them for political or religious claims.

[d000hg]

So these bakery owners were not just opposed to gay marriage, but the lynch-pin of a terrorist pedophile organisation?

It's not my fault the word has that definition!

[WordIsBond]

The reason these people get caught out is because they don't give logical unbigoted reasons for their refusals.

You are struggling to give logical unbigoted reasons for compelling political speech. As I said, a person's motivations for refusing political speech are not relevant. Just because you think their motivations are bigotry is no sound basis for this.

And in fact, religious freedom is also a "logical unbigoted" argument, whether one likes the religious belief or not, or thinks the religious belief itself is bigoted. When religious freedom dies, other freedoms soon follow.