Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda

[pjclarke]

Presumably none of you guys would have banned CFCs until after the Ozone hole had caused hundreds of millions of skin cancers ...

[BlasterBates]

Presumably none of you guys would have banned CFCs until after the Ozone hole had caused hundreds of millions of skin cancers ...

Antarctica doesn't have a particularly large population.

Was the Ozone hole caused by CFCs?

Of course we'll never know. I very much doubt it, but in this particular case there are plenty of good alternatives to CFC's so no harm in banning them.

[pjclarke]

and if we switched off all the fossil fuel powered stations tomorrow ?

That must be the Strawiest Straw Man evah.

[pjclarke]

Antarctica doesn't have a particularly large population.

...

The Montreal Protocol has also had effects on human health. A 2015 report by the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates that the protection of the ozone layer under the treaty will prevent over 280 million cases of skin cancer, 1.5 million skin cancer deaths, and 45 million cataracts in the United States.[28]

[BlasterBates]

...

That's one of those "scientific assertions" that will never be tested.

As I say no harm in this case in being "paranoid", but strongly suspect that the scientists don't have a clue.

[pjclarke]

That's one of those "scientific assertions" that will never be tested.

As I say no harm in this case in being "paranoid", but strongly suspect that the scientists don't have a clue.

In the Blue Corner: Molina, Crutzen and Rowland. Awarded the 1995 Nobel prize in Chemistry for their work on Ozone decomposition. In the Red Corner Blaster 'scientists don't know nuffink' Bates ....

Just Wow.

[BlasterBates]

Unprecedented Ozone depletion in 2011

And what does that show ?

That there must be something else other than CFC's that the scientists didn't mention or know.

If the ozone suddenly depletes without explanation well after CFC's were banned that means the scientists missed something pretty major in their theory.

That's science for "they don't really have a clue".

[original PM]

I guess you wait until you're just about to hit the wall before applying the brakes?

Stern report: the key points | Politics | The Guardian
Climate change 'kills 300,000 every year' - Telegraph

Nah I apply the brakes in plenty of time.

What I do not do is refuse to get in the car in case we crash.....

[pjclarke]

Unprecedented Ozone depletion in 2011

And what does that show ?

That there must be something else other than CFC's that the scientists didn't mention or know.

If the ozone suddenly depletes without explanation well after CFC's were banned that means the scientists missed something pretty major in their theory.

That's science for "they don't really have a clue".

Do you actually read the links you post ??

A NASA-led study has documented an unprecedented depletion of Earth's protective ozone layer above the Arctic last winter and spring caused by an unusually prolonged period of extremely low temperatures in the stratosphere

[BlasterBates]

Do you actually read the links you post ??

A NASA-led study has documented an unprecedented depletion of Earth's protective ozone layer above the Arctic last winter and spring caused by an unusually prolonged period of extremely low temperatures in the stratosphere

Well done and thanks for repeating the sentence I've already read, but the scientists way back when didn't mention this, did they....

...and what other causes are there?