Self loathing

[SpontaneousOrder]

Aaranovitch argues that it is not self loathing, but loathing of others. I don't see it like this I think it is split into two.

1. about people who are super competitive deeply insecure envious self destructive and cowardly
2. about people who are guilty about their wealth and want to be seen as virtuous by sticking up for the "little guy" (read "condescending") Brian May and Bono are two prime examples.

It's about losers trying to invent meaning in their life. They loathe others in there demographic so that they can be the enlightened outlier apologist. It's 1500 or so years of christianity hammering into people that egoism is evil and sacrifice is virtuous. We're all sinners, don't you know?

It's the same as 3rd wave feminists who, instead of holding sacrifice as a virtue (because individual achievement is harder than collective nihilism) and loathing themselves, instead invent ideas of patriarchy which they then determine to smash - thereby inventing meaning & purpose for their pathetic lives, which cannot be diminished because it was never founded in reality in the first place.

Like the 'social justice' warriors in general, who find that fighting imagined injustices - against those they choose to be viewed as so pathetically incapable of defending themselves - frames their own pathetic lives more favourably when in contrast with those who they toil to defend. You'll notice that genuinely happy achievers tend to have better things to do.

I think our government is a racket, acts on very contradictory & questionable moral principles with regard to it's foreign policy, etc etc - but despite the voting public's naivety, or even wilful ignorance, we aren't a nation of ******* savages. Many other's are.

An underachieving person of little substance, in a civilised country, can elevate their percieved position in society by framing that civilised country as a nation of evil savages.

Just like the fat kids at school can compete in the walking race on sports day - when egoism & achievement is synonymous with evil & cheating, then nihilism and mediocrity can compete for misguided exaltation.

[Flashman]

Self Loathing lefties. Doncha love 'em.

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during God save the King than of stealing from a poor box."
George Orwell.

[minestrone]

That's not leftist though. I think you mean whinestrone

It is somewhat disturbing that the use of Quisling has been so well received and used by members of the pro independence movement to refer to people who wish that Scotland remains in the UK.

You are essentially suggesting the democratic will of a member of the UK in voting NO is comparable to someone who was sentenced to death for war crimes and equally suggesting that England is equally guilty.

I don't really mind if you want to take it there, it really just shows how far everyone in the YES camp has removed themselves from reality that such comparisons seem logical and justified.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Self Loathing lefties. Doncha love 'em.

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during God save the King than of stealing from a poor box."
George Orwell.

Orwell was a leftie, wasn't he? Maybe a tolerable leftie. That being said I'd feel no more shame stealing from the poor box than I would standing to attention during God Save The Queen. Bigger world back then though, I suppose.

[Zero Liability]

What's worse then... narcissism or self-loathing?

Narcissism born out of self-loathing.

[d000hg]

Aaranovitch argues that it is not self loathing, but loathing of others. I don't see it like this I think it is split into two.

1. about people who are super competitive deeply insecure envious self destructive and cowardly
2. about people who are guilty about their wealth and want to be seen as virtuous by sticking up for the "little guy" (read "condescending") Brian May and Bono are two prime examples.

I think it says more about him, that he cannot conceive of such people genuinely caring. Compassion and condescension aren't the same. They're typically seen that way by the kind of person who says "I would rather starve than accept charity".

[DodgyAgent]

I think it says more about him, that he cannot conceive of such people genuinely caring. Compassion and condescension aren't the same. They're typically seen that way by the kind of person who says "I would rather starve than accept charity".

Like most intelligent commentators and people in general actions speak louder than words. You will find that most lefties who proclaim to "care" about the poor do not earn very much and therefore pay little in tax. if they genuinely cared they would go out and start a business, make millions and hand it over. The people who actually do these things are the rich 99% of who are right wing.

You do not find any wailing leftie striving to make money in order to hand it out.

Charities such as the big issue believe that the poor should take personal responsibility and lift themselves out of poverty with help. The left seem to think that the poor are victims of the rich and should be given handouts.

[MyUserName]

Why would DA complain about Suity?

He met him?

[Batcher]

It is somewhat disturbing that the use of Quisling has been so well received and used by members of the pro independence movement to refer to people who wish that Scotland remains in the UK.

You are essentially suggesting the democratic will of a member of the UK in voting NO is comparable to someone who was sentenced to death for war crimes and equally suggesting that England is equally guilty.

I don't really mind if you want to take it there, it really just shows how far everyone in the YES camp has removed themselves from reality that such comparisons seem logical and justified.

Every country has it's own Quislings. You are one of Scotland's.

[Ticktock]

Every country has it's own Quislings. You are one of Scotland's.

Every country has its nasty side to propaganda. Painting someone who disagrees with you as a traitor is an old trick. Painting them with the brush of Nazi collaborator is quite nasty.