Ed's snub to self employed

[TestMangler]

>Ed's snub to self employed
He hates it. Sturgeon detests it. Goes against their underlying Marxist beliefs.

"proletarianization
This label is applied to the process by which
sections of the middle class become absorbed into the working class."

"In Marxism, proletarianization is the social process whereby people move from being either an employer,
unemployed or self-employed, to being employed as wage labor by an employer. In Marxist theory,
proletarianization is often seen as the most important form of downward social mobility."

"proletarian - a member of the working class ..workers of the world--unite!"

Time to open a new self employed venture methinks - a porn production company in Glasgow.

You don't half talk some tulipe.

I take it you don't remember that during the independence referendum a stated policy of the SNP was to cut small companies corporation tax by 3% ?

You're also probably unaware that since the SNP came to power, they introduced a 100% business rates relief band for SME's ?

Sturgeon detests the self employed ? Never let any facts get in the way of your rant. twat.

[malvolio]

I don't understand - what does "play ball with the opt out..." mean?

You get pushed to opt out by the agency because it saves the agency several hours effort and a lot of paperwork. So agree with the agency that you will opt out in exchange for a proper IR35-friendly contract with sensible payment and handcuff clauses and the like. In other words, use the system to your own advantage.

OK, it introduces a degree of risk but I run a business and consider that level of risk acceptable in exchange for a more secure contractual nexus.

[unixman]

Labour are the only party who will make Britain a fairer place to live.

Remember the tories have not won a majority at a general election for over 20 years.

Come on Ed, make Britain an great place again

This is only slightly better than your similar troll last week, which was one of the poorest trolling efforts ever to appear on this forum (and there have been some bad ones). Trolling is an art form. You can't just create sockie accounts on random internet forums and dump Labour 2015 slogans into them.

[TykeMerc]

You get pushed to opt out by the agency because it saves the agency several hours effort and a lot of paperwork. So agree with the agency that you will opt out in exchange for a proper IR35-friendly contract with sensible payment and handcuff clauses and the like. In other words, use the system to your own advantage.

OK, it introduces a degree of risk but I run a business and consider that level of risk acceptable in exchange for a more secure contractual nexus.

So I take it that you raise the Opt Out before introduction to the client and sign one off properly then?

If not then there's an argument since you're deliberately and knowingly signing a contract under false pretences (that the Opt Out isn't valid) then you're acting in bad faith. It's close to fraud in fact.

It may suit your particularly arrogant high horse attitude to behave as if the Opt Out is good for your business, but for the vast majority of contractors in business it's a BAD idea and it removes protections that make a lot of commercial good sense.

As to IR35 being a dead issue, tell that to the thousands of other contractors who don't believe it's dead or ignorable, you know the people that the PCG was originally set up to speak for and get IR35 buried.
Since you've admitted that IR35 is here to stay and IPSE can't change it then the former PCG has no real reason for continued existence.

[malvolio]

So I take it that you raise the Opt Out before introduction to the client and sign one off properly then?

Yes, always. Don't you?

If not then there's an argument since you're deliberately and knowingly signing a contract under false pretences (that the Opt Out isn't valid) then you're acting in bad faith. It's close to fraud in fact.

OK, so scratch that argument as per my previous comment.

It may suit your particularly arrogant high horse attitude to behave as if the Opt Out is good for your business, but for the vast majority of contractors in business it's a BAD idea and it removes protections that make a lot of commercial good sense.

No it doesn't, actually, you can get exactly the same protection via contract negotiations except nobody can be arsed to push the point.

As to IR35 being a dead issue, tell that to the thousands of other contractors who don't believe it's dead or ignorable, you know the people that the PCG was originally set up to speak for and get IR35 buried.
Since you've admitted that IR35 is here to stay and IPSE can't change it then the former PCG has no real reason for continued existence.

Nonsense. "Thousands of contractors" don't even understand IR35 and act out of fear. IR35 isn't going away, so the focus has to be on ensuring it is only applied to the right people. HMG aren't interested in arguing about it any more and if anyone wants to do so they won't get anywhere. Sorry if that's too difficult for you to understand. And IPSE is about a hell of a lot more than IR35 these days anyway, or hadn't you noticed.

But pointless arguing if you won't listen to reason or look at what's happening around you. The world has moved on, do try and catch up.

[DodgyAgent]

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But pointless arguing if you won't listen to reason


Malvolio

I thought you would have realise by now that "argument" on CUK is about finding a position and entrenching yourself in it. If someone looks like to challenging it with any sort of reason then the tactic is to switch to another argument.

[malvolio]

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But pointless arguing if you won't listen to reason


Malvolio

I thought you would have realise by now that "argument" on CUK is about finding a position and entrenching yourself in it. If someone looks like to challenging it with any sort of reason then the tactic is to switch to another argument.

No it isn't...


IGMC

[TestMangler]

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But pointless arguing if you won't listen to reason


Malvolio

I thought you would have realise by now that "argument" on CUK is about finding a position and entrenching yourself in it. If someone looks like to challenging it with any sort of reason then the tactic is to switch to another argument.

I think he's managed that part just fine.

[DodgyAgent]

I think he's managed that part just fine.

He has explained the logic instead of switching the argument.

[unixman]

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But pointless arguing if you won't listen to reason


Malvolio

I thought you would have realise by now that "argument" on CUK is about finding a position and entrenching yourself in it. If someone looks like to challenging it with any sort of reason then the tactic is to switch to another argument.

Lol. Welcome to the Internet, pal.