Election 2015: Labour to raise £7.5bn from tax avoiders

[d000hg]

It's a pretty antiquated notion that everyone should have to work to eat. Sticking someone in a pointless job just to say "look they are working" is not solving any problem.

My major issue with the CI is that it's not means-tested, as I understood it... which seems daft so I expect I understood it wrong?

[Zero Liability]

I suspect they think the costs of it exceed any benefit it provides, otherwise like you say it makes no real sense.

[Flashman]

Bullet point in the Conservative manifesto

crack down on tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance and ensure those who can afford to pay the most do

So the misery is complete. Red team or Blue Team whoever wins intend to come after those tax evading self employed with a vengeance.

[d000hg]

Bullet point in the Conservative manifesto



So the misery is complete. Red team or Blue Team whoever wins intend to come after those tax evading self employed with a vengeance.

You have an idealogical objection against people paying the tax they're supposed to? The vast majority of us on CUK don't employ "aggressive tax avoidance". Paying through dividends is common or garden tax avoidance.

[DodgyAgent]

You have an idealogical objection against people paying the tax they're supposed to? The vast majority of us on CUK don't employ "aggressive tax avoidance". Paying through dividends is common or garden tax avoidance.

Why do so few people question how the tax is spent? answer: because it is viewed as a political issue not as a practical concept.

[vetran]

Bullet point in the Conservative manifesto



So the misery is complete. Red team or Blue Team whoever wins intend to come after those tax evading self employed with a vengeance.

unfortunately with Red team they will need a lot more cash to splurge.

[DodgyAgent]

It's a pretty antiquated notion that everyone should have to work to eat. Sticking someone in a pointless job just to say "look they are working" is not solving any problem.

Yes it is. they are working which is far better than not working at all. If they work hard and prove themselves they can then apply for a job more in keeping with what they want to do. It is a lot easier to move up the ladder from a position of employment. Everyone should work to eat because if they do not it obliges someone else to work for them to eat.

[d000hg]

Why do so few people question how the tax is spent? answer: because it is viewed as a political issue not as a practical concept.

So what? That doesn't mean you try and hold the government to ransom "I'm not paying tax unless I agree where it goes".

Yes it is. they are working which is far better than not working at all. If they work hard and prove themselves they can then apply for a job more in keeping with what they want to do. It is a lot easier to move up the ladder from a position of employment. Everyone should work to eat because if they do not it obliges someone else to work for them to eat.

You are taking for granted people want to "move up the ladder" in the first place, many have neither the ability nor the inclination to do so.

This whole idea "if you don't contribute you don't deserve to be here" or "you have to pay your way" doesn't really make sense in a society where we have enough to go round... making the poor do work just so the rich don't feel aggrieved. If there's work needs doing, people should do it. But there's absolutely no reason why the supply of jobs should match or exceed the demand for them, it's entirely possible we could reach a situation where automation or changes to the type of work done in the UK mean there simply aren't [suitable] jobs available.

[MicrosoftBob]

You have an idealogical objection against people paying the tax they're supposed to? The vast majority of us on CUK don't employ "aggressive tax avoidance". Paying through dividends is common or garden tax avoidance.

Todays acceptable common or garden tax avoidance, is tommorrows to be taxed retrospectively as evasion payment mechanism

Or at best look at S660a to see how the revenue reinterpret the law to mean something completely different when the incumbent government overspends

[DodgyAgent]

So what? That doesn't mean you try and hold the government to ransom "I'm not paying tax unless I agree where it goes".

You are taking for granted people want to "move up the ladder" in the first place, many have neither the ability nor the inclination to do so.

This whole idea "if you don't contribute you don't deserve to be here" or "you have to pay your way" doesn't really make sense in a society where we have enough to go round... making the poor do work just so the rich don't feel aggrieved. If there's work needs doing, people should do it. But there's absolutely no reason why the supply of jobs should match or exceed the demand for them, it's entirely possible we could reach a situation where automation or changes to the type of work done in the UK mean there simply aren't [suitable] jobs available.

We should be able to hold government to ransom. The trouble is we unquestioningly allow them to waste money on public services which has the effect of removing the moral argument for raising taxes. The moral argument for raising tax should be sacrosanct. if they were run incredibly efficiently with plenty of affordable housing people would be well educated enough, aspirational enough and confident enough to move up the jobs ladder. those that get left behind would be able to live off low wages and still enjoy the services of high calibre public services. The only reason people want to move away from low wage jobs is to escape the clutches of the "sh*T" provisions afforded to them by local public services.

It is interesting how you view the poor and less well off. You seem to think these people are incapable and that liberals like yourself can dole out favours because they "cant" do things for themselves. This is the most incredibly condescending remark I have seen: "if you don't contribute you don't deserve to be here" or "you have to pay your way" doesn't really make sense in a society where we have enough to go round
It reflects perfectly the attitude of the left to the poor. You seem to think that "paying their own way" is to be done for the benefit of the rest of us. Well it is not. "paying their own way" is what they should want to do for themselves so that like you they can become part of the wealthy elite. You seem to think that what is best for them are your handouts "making the poor do work just so the rich don't feel aggrieved" What on earth have the rich got to do with it??

You seem to want the poor to fight your battles for you. May I suggest that you go on benefits and start disrupting society to make more rich people pay more tax to pay for the higher welfare costs. Do your own dirty work.