Plane crash in Alps

[NickFitz]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo...T.nav=top-news report from the audio from the plane.

HTH

Am I missing something? You said

Apparently there is a keypad so that suggests the pilot inside disabled it. Why couldn't he jump of a bridge the selfish coward!!.

yet the NY Times article you link to says precisely nothing about the pilot in the cockpit disabling - or even being able to disable - the keypad.

Calling a man who, for all you know, was either ill or dead a "selfish coward" on the basis of something that hasn't even been suggested by what you claim to be your source is precisely the kind of morally repugnant behaviour we expect from the editor of the Daily Mail. Five pounds please

[Unix]

Am I missing something? You said



yet the NY Times article you link to says precisely nothing about the pilot in the cockpit disabling - or even being able to disable - the keypad.

Calling a man who, for all you know, was either ill or dead a "selfish coward" on the basis of something that hasn't even been suggested by what you claim to be your source is precisely the kind of morally repugnant behaviour we expect from the editor of the Daily Mail. Five pounds please

There are keypads on those planes and according to the report of the audio the pilot couldn't get in, ergo he probably tried the keypad and it didn't work. So either
A: The keypad malfunctioned, but that doesn't explain why the other pilot didn't answer

B: The the keypad malfunctioned and the other pilot passed out (unlikely)

C: the other pilot disabled the keypad

If you look at my post again I was replying to Eirikur post about his theory of suicide. So the context was, if that was true, then the pilot was selfish. You need to consider the context before getting on your high horse.

[VectraMan]

There are keypads on those planes and according to the report of the audio the pilot couldn't get in, ergo he probably tried the keypad and it didn't work. So either
A: The keypad malfunctioned, but that doesn't explain why the other pilot didn't answer

B: The the keypad malfunctioned and the other pilot passed out (unlikely)

C: the other pilot disabled the keypad

Or the pilot forgot the code AND the other pilot had passed out (very unlikely). Or perhaps the other pilot also left and hid somewhere/jumped/was abducted by aliens.

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There are keypads on those planes and according to the report of the audio the pilot couldn't get in, ergo he probably tried the keypad and it didn't work. So either
A: The keypad malfunctioned, but that doesn't explain why the other pilot didn't answer

B: The the keypad malfunctioned and the other pilot passed out (unlikely)

C: the other pilot disabled the keypad

If you look at my post again I was replying to Eirikur post about his theory of suicide. So the context was, if that was true, then the pilot was selfish. You need to consider the context before getting on your high horse.

A & B are not necessarily as unlikely as you may think.

If you want to look at probabilities of these things happening, watch BBC Bermuda Trangle about a flight of Avengers that went missing in 1945 and the subsequent attempts to find the wrecks using today's technology and navigation techniques.

That might teach you to keep a more open mind.

[VectraMan]

Doesn't the rapid descent mean it must have been either a deliberate act, or a mechanical failure? Surely if the pilot had just blacked out, the plane would have likely continued on course until it ran out of fuel.

According to the BBC story, for this airline the rule says one pilot can be left alone in the cockpit for a short time, though other airlines have a rule that another member of crew must be in the cockpit before one of the pilots leave.

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Doesn't the rapid descent mean it must have been either a deliberate act, or a mechanical failure? Surely if the pilot had just blacked out, the plane would have likely continued on course until it ran out of fuel.

According to the BBC story, for this airline the rule says one pilot can be left alone in the cockpit for a short time, though other airlines have a rule that another member of crew must be in the cockpit before one of the pilots leave.

People routinely break/make up their own rules in all walks of life. Pilots have been known to even turn up for flights drunk.

[mudskipper]

Doesn't the rapid descent mean it must have been either a deliberate act, or a mechanical failure? Surely if the pilot had just blacked out, the plane would have likely continued on course until it ran out of fuel.

Head slumped on the joystick (or whatever...)?

[GlenW]

The external keypad does not open the door, it alerts the pilot in the cockpit that a correct code has been entered. Then this pilot unlocks the door by pressing a button on the control panel. If this doesn't work, say the pilot is incapacitated, the pilot outside can enter an unlock code that sounds a warning in the cockpit for a set time then the door opens. During this warning period the pilot in the cockpit can throw a deadlock to stop the door opening. This deadlock can be thrown at any time, so if it is done as soon as the first pilot leaves there is no way the door can be unlocked from outside.

[chef]

Plane crash in Alps

Chefs theory: pilot went to toilet and co pilot in cockpit had a heart attack meaning he couldn't open the door and fell on the controls to descend rapidly.

Cause of crash: cockpit pilot heart attack

[chef]

Future prevention: german wings adopts 2 person in cockpit at all times policy