PR Disaster

[EternalOptimist]

yep, three coach loads apparently.

[Zero Liability]

Then again, these loons aren't really 'the people', they are outliers and quite clearly not all that sane, which is probably the response any ordinary person would have to them too.

[vetran]

When asked what sort of people should be allowed to migrate to Britain, he said: “People who do not have HIV, to be frank. That’s a good start.

can you make a positive financial and social case for importing people with a communicable disease which will cost far more to treat than they can pay in tax?

[EternalOptimist]

yet more Green thuggery

'THE leader of the national Green Party has launched an investigation into the conduct of her members at a public meeting which ended when veteran Birkenhead MP Frank Field was rushed to hospital after a shock collapse.'

[darmstadt]

can you make a positive financial and social case for importing people with a communicable disease which will cost far more to treat than they can pay in tax?

How about lab rats?

[pjclarke]

can you make a positive financial and social case for importing people with a communicable disease which will cost far more to treat than they can pay in tax?

That is too narrow a viewpoint, in my opinion. HIV treatment was made free to immigrants - bringing it into line with other STIs - in 2012 after lobbying from, amongst others, the BMA. They recognised that dissuading people from seeking early diagnosis and treatment costs more in the long term.

The BMA has longstanding concerns regarding the restriction of access to healthcare for vulnerable groups such as undocumented migrants and refused asylum seekers …

‘Restricting access to ongoing treatment for progressive illnesses on the grounds of cost until more urgent or emergency treatment is required is also both uneconomical and raises significant ethical issues,

(Sorry to drag ethics into it)
Refuse entry to HIV sufferers who are otherwise eligible to come here or make them pay for treatment and they will likely come anyway and simply not disclose the disease, the later you start treatment, the worse, and more expensive, the outcome.

Typical kneejerk Nige. And why pick on HIV as opposed to say, hepatitis? Surely not homophobia ……….

[vetran]

That is too narrow a viewpoint, in my opinion. HIV treatment was made free to immigrants - bringing it into line with other STIs - in 2012 after lobbying from, amongst others, the BMA. They recognised that dissuading people from seeking early diagnosis and treatment costs more in the long term.

The BMA has longstanding concerns regarding the restriction of access to healthcare for vulnerable groups such as undocumented migrants and refused asylum seekers …

‘Restricting access to ongoing treatment for progressive illnesses on the grounds of cost until more urgent or emergency treatment is required is also both uneconomical and raises significant ethical issues,

(Sorry to drag ethics into it)
Refuse entry to HIV sufferers who are otherwise eligible to come here or make them pay for treatment and they will likely come anyway and simply not disclose the disease, the later you start treatment, the worse, and more expensive, the outcome.

Typical kneejerk Nige. And why pick on HIV as opposed to say, hepatitis? Surely not homophobia ……….

you were asked why they should be let in, you replied by saying you think they should be treated when they are in.

then you accuse others of kneejerk judgements.

You were explicitly asked about general communicable diseases yet you continue to argue about HIV.

[vetran]

How about lab rats?

seriously unkind

[pjclarke]

you were asked why they should be let in, you replied by saying you think they should be treated when they are in.

then you accuse others of kneejerk judgements.

You were explicitly asked about general communicable diseases yet you continue to argue about HIV.

Sorry, as the post was a response to Nige's comment about HIV, I assumed that was what you meant. The point is applicable to all illnesses, though. If you ban entry to carriers, they'll likely just conceal the condition and end up costing us all more....

[pjclarke]

yet more Green thuggery

'THE leader of the national Green Party has launched an investigation into the conduct of her members at a public meeting which ended when veteran Birkenhead MP Frank Field was rushed to hospital after a shock collapse.'

This is becoming an unhealthy obsession. An eyewitness writes ...

Firstly let me state that I personally have no political affiliation & nor does anyone else in the campaign group.
Unfortunately though, Friday's meeting is seemingly being reported as a Green Party/Trotsky/Militant led attack on Labour politicians yet this was categorically not the case.

We have met the prospective Green Party councillor through this campaign & he has been nothing but supportive to us - However, he is not representative of us, is not part of the Facebook campaign group & he came in an individual capacity to the meeting on Friday.

There were no Green Party / Trotskyists or Militant Group agitators in the room, despite what Frank said at the beginning of the meeting & what has since been reported.

As I have said, the prospective Green Councillor was there in an individual capacity & asked one question about referring the matter to the Secretary of State - This was well constructed & was in no way aggressive.

All questions asked on the night were by individual residents, although admittedly, some may have felt unfavourably towards the MP & councillors. Some may indeed have been loud, assertive & persistent, but there was no physical threat to Mr Field.

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Sorry to disappoint. BTW is there a central Bishop Hill style clearing house for this bollux, or do you trawl the regional press yourself?