Rehabilitation of Offenders

[AtW]

If you don't like the UK justice systems then I'm afraid you are going to have to emigrate.

I love UK justice system, and under that system it should be possible to appeal and people get wrongly convicted.

But in this case it does not even matter - he served his time in jail that the law required and now he should have the right to pick the jobs to do in order to pay tax, which in part will pay for the justice system - the mob rule however got nothing to do with the justice system.

[SueEllen]

I love UK justice system, and under that system it should be possible to appeal and people get wrongly convicted.

But in this case it does not even matter - he served his time in jail that the law required and now he should have the right to pick the jobs to do in order to pay tax, which in part will pay for the justice system.

Unfortunately if you have a conviction you have much more difficulty getting a job.

Lots of people are prevented from returning to their previous occupation for something that isn't as serious due to the fact they cannot be trusted.

If you have a conviction for a serious offense then it's even harder.

[Doggy Styles]

Unless you were in the jury room with the jury you cannot presume what they thought and went through in their deliberations.

If you don't like the UK justice systems then I'm afraid you are going to have to emigrate. Though if you go to the States definitely ensure you have money.

is this the same justice system that says he is free to work?

[AtW]

Unfortunately if you have a conviction you have much more difficulty getting a job.

Yes for sure, it's up to employer to decide to give you job or not, plenty of clubs wants to give him job and it was only mob's outcry fuelled by national papers that prevented him from getting a job, which is probably the main step towards reoffending, would they shut the f... up if he takes his own life after this BS? I don't think so.

Would it be better if he got a job in a busy dance club?

Should he starve to death?

[SueEllen]

is this the same justice system that says he is free to work?

He's not free to work.

He's a registered sex offender and also on probation. He can only take on work with the approval of his probation officer otherwise he will be back inside.

Can he work in football? Yes but only in the UK, and not doing anything that puts him in contact with children or other vulnerable people.

[SueEllen]

Yes for sure, it's up to employer to decide to give you job or not, plenty of clubs wants to give him job and it was only mob's outcry fuelled by national papers that prevented him from getting a job, which is probably the main step towards reoffending, would they shut the f... up if he takes his own life after this BS? I don't think so.

Would it be better if he got a job in a busy dance club?

Should he starve to death?

He can get a job that other people with a similar record to him get. Until then he can go on the dole which is cheaper than keeping him in prison.

[AtW]

He can get a job that other people with a similar record to him get. Until then he can go on the dole which is cheaper than keeping him in prison.

Why can't he be a footballer which is his profession?

[SueEllen]

Why can't he be a footballer which is his profession?

Football is a commercial enterprise where football clubs especially those in the lower leagues rely on sponsors to fund them. Football clubs also have links to their local communities.

If the sponsors don't want him because it will damage their brand, the supporters of the clubs don't want him and those living in the local area who have other links to the clubs don't want him then the clubs can't employ him as they won't be commercially viable.

BTW the football association are going to bring in rules to prevent this saga happening again with anyone convicted of a serious crime.

[AtW]

BTW the football association are going to bring in rules to prevent this saga happening again with anyone convicted of a serious crime.

Retrospective change, the best kind

btw, you are too rational and logical with your arguments, they are more suitable for other parts of this forum...

[mudskipper]

Reasonable assumption is not the same as beyond reasonable doubt. It's completely opposite! He must have been guilty beyond reasonable doubt. You can't convict for such serious offence on the basis of "reasonable assumption", it works only one way - negative, ie - if there is reasonable doubt then NOT guilty, but NOT - I have reason to believe he did it, you actually have to PROVE it. Quite how ASSUMED 2.5 times above DRIVING limit was used to convict (for anything other than driving offenses) is beyond me.

Please reread my post before going off on one. The first bloke was found innocent because there was a reasonable assumption that she consented or he could have believed she consented. i.e. a reasonable doubt that he was guilty.