More kids and guns

[jmo21]

The argument about defence has some truth to it, but imagine in a Columbine type incident, 2 shooters, but every teacher is carrying for self defence.

As soon as 1 teacher starts shooting in defence, how can the next self defence shooter who arrives in the middle of the gun battle know who to shoot at? Yes, maybe they recognise the teacher, but if this was in a shopping centre or whatever....?

I doubt they'll ever remove guns completely, so these incidents will just continue to happen.

[tomtomagain]

The argument about defence has some truth to it, but imagine in a Columbine type incident, 2 shooters, but every teacher is carrying for self defence.

As soon as 1 teacher starts shooting in defence, how can the next self defence shooter who arrives in the middle of the gun battle know who to shoot at? Yes, maybe they recognise the teacher, but if this was in a shopping centre or whatever....?

I doubt they'll ever remove guns completely, so these incidents will just continue to happen.

But your scenario is very simplistic.

You are imagining that it is easy to point a gun at someone and kill them. Do you really think that most teachers would be prepared to shoot dead a young adult or child?

Why should society put the onus on the teachers to enforce the law? Why not have a society where children do not have access to semi-automatic assault rifles in the first place?

[jmo21]

But your scenario is very simplistic.

You are imagining that it is easy to point a gun at someone and kill them. Do you really think that most teachers would be prepared to shoot dead a young adult or child?

Why should society put the onus on the teachers to enforce the law? Why not have a society where children do not have access to semi-automatic assault rifles in the first place?

Eh?

My post is an argument AGAINST teachers (or the general public carrying guns).

Pro-gun people argue IF the teachers at Columbine were carrying, IF the people in that cinema were carrying, they would have stopped the killers, but it's nonsense for the reasons I described.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Defending you from what?

Who are you as a law abiding citizen afraid of in the UK where you need a gun?

Violent criminal gangs aren't interested in burglary as the pickings are too slim.

Burglars beat pensioner to death in front of wife | Daily Mail Online

Took me all of 3 seconds to google. I posted the link because clearly you're from a different country, if not planet.

Here's another which took another 3 seconds:

Armed robbers steal cash and phones in raid on Iceland in Altrincham - Manchester Evening News

[SpontaneousOrder]

Your points are guns make society safer. You also seem preoccupied with the fact you can't shoot intruders in the UK or wave a gun around to frighten them.

As someone who had an intruder in her house the fact he got disturbed by voices was enough to make him flee. No guns needed let alone any other violence needed. If guns were legal he would have come armed.* Even in other cases I know intruders didn't use violence.

*He was caught while trying to flee and had nothing on him.

Wow. Your personal anecdotes are now the objective standard? Lol.

And you can't read either - my point is, again, that you wouldn't NEED to shoot them.

In countries where gun ownership is legal they tend to come when they think that you're out, because the robbery isn;t worth the chance of someone shooting at you. In this country they just hit you over the head with a metal bar if you put up a fight. If you;re unlucky you get it anyway. Either way you have to suffer the experience.

[tomtomagain]

Eh?

My post is an argument AGAINST teachers (or the general public carrying guns).

Sorry. I must have misread it. I'd normally blame the alcohol but it was the middle of the day ....

[Stevie Wonder Boy]

Hardly. IIRC there were estimated to be about a million illegally held handguns, there are now estimated to be about 3 million illegally held handguns.

How do they know???? Seriously how are they counting them? -> back to my point.

[Stevie Wonder Boy]

Wow. Your personal anecdotes are now the objective standard? Lol.

And you can't read either - my point is, again, that you wouldn't NEED to shoot them.

In countries where gun ownership is legal they tend to come when they think that you're out, because the robbery isn;t worth the chance of someone shooting at you. In this country they just hit you over the head with a metal bar if you put up a fight. If you;re unlucky you get it anyway. Either way you have to suffer the experience.

Google -> gun deaths california home burglary
It seems a bit ironic that you are throwing stones at Sue Ellen and respond with exactly the same type of argument.

Again, I've lived half of my life in both the UK and the US. The UK is much safer by far. Due in no small part to the gun licensing and regulation in the UK. I know this doesn't fit your view of how society should work, but it does seem to work.

[Stevie Wonder Boy]

Burglars beat pensioner to death in front of wife | Daily Mail Online

Took me all of 3 seconds to google. I posted the link because clearly you're from a different country, if not planet.

Here's another which took another 3 seconds:

Armed robbers steal cash and phones in raid on Iceland in Altrincham - Manchester Evening News

Again, don't think this is the same as the US in terms of scale and frequency. The US seems to be having a Hungerford type of incident every month now.

BTW: I chose California for the Google as it has roughly the same population as the UK.

[EternalOptimist]

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In countries where gun worship is legal they tend to come when they think that you're out, because the robbery isn;t worth the chance of someone shooting at you. In this country they just hit you over the head with a metal bar if you put up a fight. ...

a gun IS a metal bar. with an 'ole in it