Ever signed on the dole?

[SueEllen]

Possibly, do you want people relaxing on the dole when others are working hard and possibly receiving less money for it supporting them?

I suppose if the Job Centre started doing cavity searches you would have a point.

Relaxing?

Probably because most of the people I've met on the dole have been female and/or over 21.

Even the single mothers I've met who have been paid benefits because it's cheaper than paying for their childcare want to work.

We forget - probably because most of us like our own company - other people like working because of the social aspect.

[Paddy]

[QUOTE=SueEllen;2026778]Austria use to prevent EU citizens buying property but not any more.

However all other EU countries restrictions are done by their banks, so if their banks won't lend you money to get a mortgage you won't get one.

However I know and have met citizens of other EU countries being able to buy property in loads of different EU countries from where they are from including Austria. They just had to prove they were resident in that country.[/QUOTE

If you buy a leasehold flat you would not normally have a problem in Austria. Austria still has indefinite restrictions ie they ban EU citizens from buying freehold or leasehold property in the Tyrol and certain ski resorts and historical areas in Vienna.

There are also almost total restrictions in the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia.

Poland has a 12 years ban.

Many EU states has a ban on the sale of agricultural land

[SueEllen]

[QUOTE=Paddy;2026848]

Austria use to prevent EU citizens buying property but not any more.

However all other EU countries restrictions are done by their banks, so if their banks won't lend you money to get a mortgage you won't get one.

However I know and have met citizens of other EU countries being able to buy property in loads of different EU countries from where they are from including Austria. They just had to prove they were resident in that country.[/QUOTE

If you buy a leasehold flat you would not normally have a problem in Austria. Austria still has indefinite restrictions ie they ban EU citizens from buying freehold or leasehold property in the Tyrol and certain ski resorts and historical areas in Vienna.

There are also almost total restrictions in the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia.

Poland has a 12 years ban.

Many EU states has a ban on the sale of agricultural land

I've just googled and found different information about Czech Republic et al.

Anyway like with benefits the UK government blames the EU when they can simply put residence requirements to help limit who can buy property.

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I've just googled and found different information about Czech Republic et al.

Anyway like with benefits the UK government blames the EU when they can simply put residence requirements to help limit who can buy property.

Why do you think foreigners buying property is an issue? The cost of property rose during the period 2002 (down south) through 2005 (as it spread north). I don't think foreign purchasers were the problem then (more banks lending people whatever they wanted)..

[SueEllen]

Why do you think foreigners buying property is an issue? The cost of property rose during the period 2002 (down south) through 2005 (as it spread north). I don't think foreign purchasers were the problem then (more banks lending people whatever they wanted)..

Why do you think house prices are still rising in London?

[eek]

Why do you think house prices are still rising in London?

I know why house prices are rising there and I explained that earlier in this thread. What you however haven't explained is what impact that is having on prices elsewhere. Preferably with Econometric evidence....

You haven't actually pointed anything out yet other than

1) you seem to dislike foreigners (which is ironic as London is one of the true global cities and the place where people are very happy to spend their money)..
2) you seem to be utterly upset about something. Did you miss this recent boom? Did you sell back in 2010 and are now upset at what your house subsequently got....

[Paddy]

[QUOTE=SueEllen;2026874]

I've just googled and found different information about Czech Republic et al.

Anyway like with benefits the UK government blames the EU when they can simply put residence requirements to help limit who can buy property.

Just had a Google as well. Information is conflicting and there is much said of what restrictions should have be repealed and much about actuality. The Austrian question is most confusing.


Second homes in Tyrol

The purchase of secondary homes is regulated by the Tyrolean Spatial Planning Act 2006 and its amendments (recently amended in 2010 and 2011) (§§ 13-17). Its provisions are exclusively aimed at holiday homes. The Act restricts the use of such residences to leisure purposes as defined by the regulations in force from 1994 to 1998 and registered then or later as holiday homes. New holiday homes can only be created if the municipal zoning plan provides for it, which also has to define a maximum permitted number. This is only allowed if the controlled development of the municipality along the objectives of the local zoning plan will not be impaired. Criteria to bear in mind are settlement trends, available building land for locals, the real estate situation and potential impact on it, and the infrastructure (transport routes, provision of water and energy, waste disposal, etc.).


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The Act also defines a maximum for holiday homes. They must not exceed 8% of the total housing stock of the municipality. Special permissions may be granted in cases of inheritance or changed personal circumstances (changes in the job or family situation) (Amt der Tiroler Landesregierung, 2001).


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The Tyrolean Spatial Planning Act is complemented by the Tyrolean Land Transactions Act 1996, last amended in 2012 (Amt der Tiroler Landesregierung, 1996, 2012). It contains restrictive provisions for the purchase of second homes by foreign nationals and for the purchase of agricultural and forestry land and buildings. The use of agricultural or forestry real estate must not be changed to leisure purposes after purchase, even if the previous owner had already abandoned the agrarian or forestry activity on that real estate. Purchasers must prove that they will use the purchased object as an agricultural or forestry business, either themselves or by renting it out to someone who will use it in that way, and that no holiday home will be created on that plot.


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Holiday homes may be created on condition that the future owners will have had a main residence in Austria for at least five years, that the home has been declared unsuitable for year-round occupation or that no purchaser could be found who would use the planned holiday home for year-round occupation.


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The Act is particularly restrictive for foreign buyers of real estate. It demands a check on whether the purchase by a foreign national is in line with Austrian national policies or public interests, esp. economic, cultural or social interests.


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This special clause has attracted particularly vehement criticism. The European Union criticizes the discrimination of EU nationals for purchases of land in Tyrol and objected to the Act, but the Austrian Constitutional Court has also repeatedly criticized the Act and repealed sections of it, albeit without having any effect on legal practice in Tyrol. The Tyrolean Chamber of Commerce also demands a liberalization of real estate transactions.


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The figures given above on the rate of secondary homes demonstrate that the legal framework of Tyrol did not work sufficiently. This is due to many exceptions and interventions made by the responsible persons and politicians in the municipalities, the federal state or even the national state.

[SueEllen]

I know why house prices are rising there and I explained that earlier in this thread. What you however haven't explained is what impact that is having on prices elsewhere. Preferably with Econometric evidence....

You haven't actually pointed anything out yet other than

1) you seem to dislike foreigners (which is ironic as London is one of the true global cities and the place where people are very happy to spend their money)..
2) you seem to be utterly upset about something. Did you miss this recent boom? Did you sell back in 2010 and are now upset at what your house subsequently got....

So because I think your theory is rubbish and am pointing that out, you presume that I dislike foreigners and don't live in London......

[SueEllen]

Just had a Google as well. Information is conflicting and there is much said of what restrictions should have be repealed and much about actuality. The Austrian question is most confusing.

To be fair I looked a couple of weeks ago and discovered that there were all these restrictions around Europe. Then I found updates which stated they had been changed apart from specific things i.e. small islands. However some countries require you to have a tax number which means you actually have to be resident in the country, or to be an EU citizen.

As I stated before there is nothing that is stopping UK politicians insisting anyone buying property in the UK is an EU resident or UK resident. UK politicians blame Europe when really their inaction is to suit their foreign business chums who either fund their political party or give them jobs when they leave politics like Bliar

[eek]

So because I think your theory is rubbish and am pointing that out, you presume that I dislike foreigners and don't live in London......

No. I think your theory is rubbish but (unlike you) I haven't actually articulated one about recent outer London price movements as I know absolutely sod all about the market.

I suspect however that it is purely a supply and demand issue rather than trickle down from the top end prime property London market. Sadly I don't know anyone who deals in that lower level market the people I know in London who do property development are either large redevelopment or prime residential specialists...