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How should we cut obesity?

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    #51
    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    What a horrible idea. No Mars bars, no booze, no crisps, no greasy fry ups, no roast potatoes in goose fat, ...
    I was thinking more that the food hadn't been messed with, but as pointed out healthy seems to be more of a matter of opinion confused by dogma.

    Trans fats etc are obviously unhealthy.
    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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      #52
      Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
      It has I agree, but no one should have to nannied

      People smoke and people drink, perhaps more than they should but that's down to them of course there are consequences but it's all rather well publicised these days through various media so there are no excuses though I agree there are exceptions.
      It would help if the schools didn't sell crap food.

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        #53
        Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
        It would help if the schools didn't sell crap food.
        It is at least an area of focus/improvement. Although it would also help if parents didn't stop their kids having school dinners because they didn't like healthy food.
        Originally posted by MaryPoppins
        I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
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        Urine is quite nourishing

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          #54
          Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
          It would help if the schools didn't sell crap food.
          At Mini Spartan's school they only sell fruit and they also don't allow certain things if the kids have packed lunches like chocolate and crisps, I was quite surprised to begin with but also very happy when I was told this by my wife.

          They also take the time to educate the children about food and what's bad about certain types of it.
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            #55
            Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
            At Mini Spartan's school they only sell fruit and they also don't allow certain things if the kids have packed lunches like chocolate and crisps, I was quite surprised to begin with but also very happy when I was told this by my wife.

            They also take the time to educate the children about food and what's bad about certain types of it.
            Yep - primary schools generally do a good job, but when they get to secondary school, it often changes. Sweets, chocolate, chips, fizzy drinks seem to be the staples.

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              #56
              Don't get me wrong it is a problem that needs to be tackled, but I don't think that people who are responsible should have to foot the bill in anyway in fact I think it should fall to those that get themselves in that state in the first place.
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                #57
                Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
                Don't get me wrong it is a problem that needs to be tackled, but I don't think that people who are responsible should have to foot the bill in anyway in fact I think it should fall to those that get themselves in that state in the first place.
                But many sports and hobbies are high risk - should motorbike riders (for example) be required to insure themselves medical bills that arise as the result of an accident?

                Getting themselves into that state isn't a conscious decision - you don't wake up one morning and think, "I know, I'll become a bloater". Overeating is often an addiction, and an insidious one. It's rarely as simple as just stopping.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
                  But many sports and hobbies are high risk - should motorbike riders (for example) be required to insure themselves medical bills that arise as the result of an accident?
                  I believe you have to have insurance to ride a motorbike nowadays and I doubt insurance is cheap either, I see your point but an accident is exactly that and not intentional.

                  Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
                  Getting themselves into that state isn't a conscious decision - you don't wake up one morning and think, "I know, I'll become a bloater". Overeating is often an addiction, and an insidious one. It's rarely as simple as just stopping.
                  Exactly it is a process that can take some time and generally doesn't happen overnight.

                  So if say your knees end up knackered due to the excess weight you're carrying then, if you need a knee replacement you'll have to dip into your own pocket as it's preventable.
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
                    I believe you have to have insurance to ride a motorbike nowadays and I doubt insurance is cheap either, I see your point but an accident is exactly that and not intentional.
                    I think the point MS was trying to make was that you are willingly increasing your chances of incurring an injury.
                    Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
                    But many sports and hobbies are high risk - should motorbike riders (for example) be required to insure themselves medical bills that arise as the result of an accident?


                    Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
                    So if say your knees end up knackered due to the excess weight you're carrying then, if you need a knee replacement you'll have to dip into your own pocket as it's preventable.
                    Quite a few rugby players and skiers I know have had injuries while taking part in the chosen sport, should the cost of their ACLs, collar bones, broken wrists etc be covered by the NHS or private insurance?

                    Anyway what is a "good diet"? Over the last seventy years there has been much advice given out about what is good and what isn't, for instance, who knew about trans fatty acids 25 years ago? IMHO it comes to eating what you want, just not so much of it.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Goatfell View Post
                      Quite a few rugby players and skiers I know have had injuries while taking part in the chosen sport, should the cost of their ACLs, collar bones, broken wrists etc be covered by the NHS or private insurance?
                      The difference is that there are lots of consequences of obesity as opposed to just a case where you've injured yourself. Say you break you wrist once it's healed your treatment is mostly over and done with unless you require physiotherapy, whereas with obesity you have Type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, higher risk of a stroke, fatty liver disease etc

                      I'm sure these would require a lot more treatment and cost.
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