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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostHaulage firm - one that has no female drivers
Car repair shop - one that doesn't take female customers seriously.
First may have implications if they have difficulty getting staff - I'm sure Hilary Devey wanted more female drivers at her firm, the second would have implications on the bottom line.
BTW the bus garage that I use to walk pass frequently had girlie posters in the locker room until about 2 years ago. The locker room could be seen from the street which is why I could see them. I was always amused that the women who worked there were the no nonsense type who took no tulip from the men.Comment
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Originally posted by Zero Liability View PostConsidering what a nasty piece of work the lady in the tweets is, I really don't see how it's got anything to do with misogyny.Comment
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Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View PostWith the caveat that you think that he should have apologised for his fashion choices.
The truth is that some people did feel unhappy by what he chose to wear. You may not agree with it, but it happened. No doubt some were trolling and wanted to 'shame' him, but most of the comments weren't like that. Very few were personal. A lot of people thanked him once he changed his shirt. If he's sorry he's upset people, then it's nice of him to say so. I watched the apology and wanted to give him a hug.
I still don't think he should ever have been in that situation - someone, somewhere should have got him to change his shirt before appearing on television.
I don't know whether he wore the shirt oblivious that it would cause controversy, wore it knowing but not caring, or wore it to provoke comment. I suspect the first, and that's a shame, as it must have soured what should have been a triumphant moment for him.Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
Anything beyond that, including Anita Sarkeesian and the gang, is off topic and was brought up by those around here that don't like the idea of free thinking individual women with a voice of their own.
Anita recently tweeted a statement that there can be no such thing as sexism against men - so I posted it in this very thread that I started, in order to shine some light on the horrid woman that other people decided to cheer-lead, and castigate me for rebuking.
You lot do a great job of advertising your ignorance on your own - I'm just helping you along. People do notice these things, and that's all I want.Comment
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Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View PostThere's a difference between whining, and pointing out the entrenched bigotry and sexism among the forum moderation. I...Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThere would be, if there was entrenched bigotry and sexism among the forum moderation. But as there isn't, it's just whining, mistaking entrenched bigotry and sexism for arbitrariness, inconsistency and SOism, and confusing us with people who give a toss.
I think such a paradox deserves it's own term. Well done.Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostOnly if he was sorry. Not if he was pressured into doing so.
The truth is that some people did feel unhappy by what he chose to wear. You may not agree with it, but it happened. No doubt some were trolling and wanted to 'shame' him, but most of the comments weren't like that. Very few were personal. A lot of people thanked him once he changed his shirt. If he's sorry he's upset people, then it's nice of him to say so. I watched the apology and wanted to give him a hug.
I still don't think he should ever have been in that situation - someone, somewhere should have got him to change his shirt before appearing on television.
I don't know whether he wore the shirt oblivious that it would cause controversy, wore it knowing but not caring, or wore it to provoke comment. I suspect the first, and that's a shame, as it must have soured what should have been a triumphant moment for him.
While the primary backlash around the issue is related to things like this:
https://twitter.com/roseveleth/statu...39812855959552
I and many people also have a problem with even the suggestion that the shirt is in something to be apologised for - because to suppose that that shirt is insulting to women is inherently sexist (against women - and possibly men for different reasons), and to suppose that a man or woman should be concerned with causing offence to sexist people is an endorsement of sexism, and a demand that an innocent man defer his own moral integrity for the sake of another's irrationality.
So that's why (even if you don't agree with my reasoning) so many people are irritated about it - even where the criticisms were personal opinions and weren't of a bullying nature. Although of course it's the aggressive social media feminist outrage which led to things like the indiegogo campaign.
There's the idea that he was bullied, and the idea that apologising is an acquiescence to sexism. Some people are more concerned by the former than the latter.Comment
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Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View PostI and many people also have a problem with even the suggestion that the shirt is in something to be apologised for - because to suppose that that shirt is insulting to women is inherently sexist (against women - and possibly men for different reasons), and to suppose that a man or woman should be concerned with causing offence to sexist people is an endorsement of sexism, and a demand that an innocent man defer his own moral integrity for the sake of another's irrationality.
You may like to reflect upon where you think the line between questioning or criticising someone's actions or behaviour morphs into personal abuse.
I find your assumption that all women harbour a subconscious desire to be objectified offensive - there is a difference between wishing to attract a mate (which probably is innate in all of us) and wanting to be viewed sexually before other attributes.
I'm not sure much more can be said about the shirt that hasn't already been said, so it's pretty unlikely that either its advocates or its detractors are suddenly going to change their opinions.
It's last week's news, and to continue discussing it long after Dr Taylor apologised presumably hoping to close the topic, seems to be doing him a disservice.Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View Post... - there is a difference between wishing to attract a mate (which probably is innate in all of us) and wanting to be viewed sexually before other attributes. ...
I'm just a bad person.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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