America reaps what it sows, says preacher as British jihadists gloat

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More like 250.

yep your right 258 killed, 777 wounded. 650 argies dead and another 1068 wounded. A lot of them kids.

The Falklands population 2k or something? Effin joke if wasn't so stupid.

I'm sure that before the invasion the UK Gov was going to negotiate with Argentina over sovereignty.

[tractor]

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When in Rome... abandon freedom of speech?

No, prevent its abuse

[woohoo]

Plus the people living there - that's worth remembering (and probably the most compelling reason to go). Not necessarily disagreeing with your point though.

Yeah I can understand that. But all together nearly a thousand people died for that island. We could have negotiated to re-home the population, now it wouldn't be a great victory but quite a few men would go on to have good lives. Many families have probably been destroyed by the death of a son, torn apart.

So no great victory but a better outcome.

I'm not a pacifist I believe in defending your self. If someone attacks me with a knife I will defend myself. But if someone tries to start an argument in a pub I will walk away, because I can think ahead and understand the consequences, of injury, jail etc.

[Batcher]

It's a tiny minority again that want this. When you start to think of people in an abstract way for example Muslims that want Sharia Law, you forget that most Muslims are just like you and me. I know a few of them, nice people. Sure there are some tulips but you could say that about any group of humans.

There are already Sharia councils in many areas in the UK. The authorities know this but are happy to let the Muslims sort things out for themselves in marriage disputes, etc. even although they usually come down on the side of the husband.

There are a few husbands with four wives as well that the authorities know about. The wives usually get a council house for themselves and the kids as a 'single mum'. If any Christian/athiest man did that he would be done for bigamy and welfare benefit fraud.

[woohoo]

There are already Sharia councils in many areas in the UK. The authorities know this but are happy to let the Muslims sort things out for themselves in marriage disputes, etc. even although they usually come down on the side of the husband.

There are a few husbands with four wives as well that the authorities know about. The wives usually get a council house for themselves and the kids as a 'single mum'. If any Christian/athiest man did that he would be done for bigamy and welfare benefit fraud.

I know little about what goes on in Sharia councils. Though my understanding is that they have work within the framework of UK law. If not then I'm all for closing them down. Same for benefit fraud, prosecute them.

But you could equally point out lots of other fraud and terrible behaviour in other cultures in this country. It doesn't negate my point about the vast majority of people being nice and just wanting to get on with their life.

[Goatfell]

Regarding the 1940's I never said we should not defend ourselves, however, there is an argument that we should have stayed out of the war. Anyway, in that war several million people lost their lives, that's perverse. Not a victory for anyone, bloody defeat for common sense.

What about the concentration camps, the millions that died in them didn't have any choice whether they wanted to "stay out of the war". If the Nazis had not been defeated how many British people would have ended their lives the in the same fashion?

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What about the concentration camps, the millions that died in them didn't have any choice whether they wanted to "stay out of the war". If the Nazis had not been defeated how many British people would have ended their lives the in the same fashion?

It's a good question, I don't have some magic answer. Though I know Hitler thought of GB as a great naval power and would have sought an alliance. I don't know if an alliance was made if some of the atrocities committed could have been stopped by persuasion. I find the thought of working with Nazi Germany distasteful but if you speak to some people from South Africa they have very similar opinions of the British, death camps are not a German invention.

But the original point is that we can't just bomb and kill people into submission, it's clear the hundred of thousands of people killed as a direct result of our country and it's allies has not solved the problem. If anything it just created more hate.

[SpontaneousOrder]

No, prevent its abuse

Being able to 'abuse' is is the whole point of freedom of speech though. I.e. whether it is being 'abused' or not is open to interpretation - and as such it should never be restricted.

It's not supposed to exist so that we're free to argue over whether eastenders or corrie is better - it exists (or is supposed to) precisely so that we can talk about things that other people (i.e. governments) might deem to be unacceptable.

Filtering it according to some measure of 'abuse' is precisely the evil that it's supposed to be protecting us from.

[VectraMan]

Not what I said at all and I'm quite sure that you know it.

Campaigning for Sharia Law should not be allowed IMV because it is advocating many things that are currently against the law and illegal according to the social framework and humanitarian values of Europe and most western countries.

It's only my view, and you are free to disagree with it but it is quite valid without being hypocritical. It's about the old saying 'When in Rome...'

It is what you said, and you've said it again. You should not be allowed to express opinions on what is "against the law and illegal according to the social framework and humanitarian values of Europe and most western countries", IYV. There are people that advocate the death penalty for example, or the legalisation of drugs. Both of those would fail under your criteria and therefore it should be illegal to campaign for them?

Free speech means every opinion should be heard, even the vile and extremists ones. But as we are (more or less) a democracy, there's no danger from these views as long as they remain minority views. I'm far more scared by the people that run round spreading hysteria about Sharia Law coming to the UK than those that want Sharia Law to come to the UK because the former might gain real support amongst significant numbers of the masses, which the latter will never do.

[alluvial]

Yeah I can understand that. But all together nearly a thousand people died for that island. We could have negotiated to re-home the population, now it wouldn't be a great victory but quite a few men would go on to have good lives. Many families have probably been destroyed by the death of a son, torn apart.

So no great victory but a better outcome.

I'm not a pacifist I believe in defending your self. If someone attacks me with a knife I will defend myself. But if someone tries to start an argument in a pub I will walk away, because I can think ahead and understand the consequences, of injury, jail etc.

What the feck are you on?
The Falkland Islanders consider themselves British and are British. Part of being British is that you can have some degree of expectation that if some heavy-handed bully comes along and tries to take over your home and land by force, that the rest of the British will step in and do its damnedest to prevent it.
To ensure that Britain can protect its citizens, we maintain a standing army and young men and women enlist into it with the full knowledge that one day they may be called up offer that protection anywhere in the world. It's unfortunate that so many lives were lost, but I for one am proud that we were able to project that force so far across the globe and proud of the incredible achievement that was the result.

Negotiate a new home for the islanders? I'm so glad that twats like you weren't in charge at the time.