America reaps what it sows, says preacher as British jihadists gloat

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What the feck are you on?
The Falkland Islanders consider themselves British and are British. Part of being British is that you can have some degree of expectation that if some heavy-handed bully comes along and tries to take over your home and land by force, that the rest of the British will step in and do its damnedest to prevent it.
To ensure that Britain can protect its citizens, we maintain a standing army and young men and women enlist into it with the full knowledge that one day they may be called up offer that protection anywhere in the world. It's unfortunate that so many lives were lost, but I for one am proud that we were able to project that force so far across the globe and proud of the incredible achievement that was the result.

Negotiate a new home for the islanders? I'm so glad that twats like you weren't in charge at the time.

Yeah that's great, a 1000 lads losing their lives. They haven't got a home anymore and their families devastated. Going to let you into a secret, the decision was made purely for political reasons, a calculation made because our culture values looking like a world power over the life's of its citizens. So we would accept a certain amount of young men dying as long as we won. The bet was if we won the government would look like hero's. In other cultures this is seen as ******* stupid.

You think the British haven't bullied other countries and taken their homes? You are probably proud of this.

[VectraMan]

What the feck are you on?
The Falkland Islanders consider themselves British and are British. Part of being British is that you can have some degree of expectation that if some heavy-handed bully comes along and tries to take over your home and land by force, that the rest of the British will step in and do its damnedest to prevent it.
To ensure that Britain can protect its citizens, we maintain a standing army and young men and women enlist into it with the full knowledge that one day they may be called up offer that protection anywhere in the world. It's unfortunate that so many lives were lost, but I for one am proud that we were able to project that force so far across the globe and proud of the incredible achievement that was the result.

Negotiate a new home for the islanders? I'm so glad that twats like you weren't in charge at the time.

Of course if we weren't such a war mongering nation, we'd never have had tiny outcrops like The Falklands to defend.

Not saying we shouldn't have responded, but when you look at a map of the world and see where The Falklands are, where Argentina is, and where Britain is, you have to admit that the Argentinians had a point.

[Batcher]

I know little about what goes on in Sharia councils. Though my understanding is that they have work within the framework of UK law. If not then I'm all for closing them down. Same for benefit fraud, prosecute them.

But you could equally point out lots of other fraud and terrible behaviour in other cultures in this country. It doesn't negate my point about the vast majority of people being nice and just wanting to get on with their life.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the majority of Muslims being nice people. I've worked beside a few from various corners of the globe I now consider as friends.

[woohoo]

I'm not disagreeing with you about the majority of Muslims being nice people. I've worked beside a few from various corners of the globe I now consider as friends.

lol, at last someone agreeing with me and not calling me a twat

How come twat gets through the swear filters?

[VectraMan]

How come twat gets through the swear filters?

Freedom of speech.

[woohoo]

Freedom of speech.

+1

[SpontaneousOrder]

Of course if we weren't such a war mongering nation, we'd never have had tiny outcrops like The Falklands to defend.

Not saying we shouldn't have responded, but when you look at a map of the world and see where The Falklands are, where Argentina is, and where Britain is, you have to admit that the Argentinians had a point.

Although, by that rationale you could argue that people shouldn't legitimately own holiday homes abroad (or even in Devon or somewhere).

[alluvial]

Yeah that's great, a 1000 lads losing their lives. They haven't got a home anymore and their families devastated. Going to let you into a secret, the decision was made purely for political reasons, a calculation made because our culture values looking like a world power over the life's of its citizens. So we would accept a certain amount of young men dying as long as we won. The bet was if we won the government would look like hero's. In other cultures this is seen as ******* stupid.

You and probably a lot of other ovine conspiracy theorists believe that it was made purely for political reasons. However it was probably simply that the Argentinians thought they could get away with it and the British thought that they wouldn't be so stupid as to try.
What you are saying is that we should avoid any dangerous confrontation as we might not like the outcome and hold our hands up and implore them to sit down over a nice cuppa and have a chat about it. That is what would be seen in other cultures a ******* stupid.

It was unfortunate that a lot of men died. And every single death could have been avoided before hostilities began if they accepted they weren't going to be allowed to get away with it and withdrawn.

You think the British haven't bullied other countries and taken their homes? You are probably proud of this.

Specious

[SpontaneousOrder]

Of course if we weren't such a war mongering nation, we'd never have had tiny outcrops like The Falklands to defend.

Falkland islands were uninhabited when Britain claimed them. They weren't even obviously claimed by anyone else (which is where the argument comes in).

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Of course if we weren't such a war mongering nation, we'd never have had tiny outcrops like The Falklands to defend.

Not saying we shouldn't have responded, but when you look at a map of the world and see where The Falklands are, where Argentina is, and where Britain is, you have to admit that the Argentinians had a point.

The Falklands is a colony, never part of the Empire. The point in time at which we colonised the Falklands, there was no such thing as argentina, but there were a lot of colonial Spaniards running around killing and pillaging the local indiginous South American Indians.

The Falklands was populated only by sheep left over from an earlier and aborted colonisation that was left when no one wanted it. We went and stayed since. Argentina was formed many years after this.

I guess there are some here that don't remember what it was all about (more than just the Falklands) it was about the right of the people there to choose to be British ....

The guy chosen to strike the first blow was...

Former Argentine naval officer Alfredo Astiz has been jailed for life for crimes against humanity during military rule in 1976-83.

Astiz - known as the "Blond Angel of Death" - was found guilty of torture, murder and forced disappearance.

Among his victims were two French nuns and the founders of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo human rights group.

All worked at the Naval Mechanical School in Buenos Aires - known as Esma - which was the biggest secret torture and killing centre set up by the military during what became known as the "Dirty War".

Of the 5,000 or so prisoners taken to Esma, 90% did not come out alive.

Some were killed by firing squad while others were thrown from planes - drugged but still alive - into the Atlantic Ocean.

More than 70 of those who did make it out were among the witnesses in the 22-month trial.

So yeah, I guess we should have let him take all 2500 inhabitants up in his plane and throw them out, shouldn't we?