America reaps what it sows, says preacher as British jihadists gloat

[tractor]

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Most of them are like you and me you know just want to get on with their lives.

That is fine. I have no problem with those. But I would argue that only some of them are just like us. Sure the news and papers only report the 'newsworthy' which rarely includes what you would consider normal people so perhaps perceptions are distorted.

The fact remains that although we are a free country with free speech, there can be no justification for allowing people to demonstrate for and demand Sharia Law, a framework which would allow many acts of violence, oppression, sexism, racism and the abandonment of religious freedoms, along with the ability to mitigate any crime by misquoting the Koran.

If you were rigid about it, you could make a case for incitement where people protest for this sort of thing.

[VectraMan]

The fact remains that although we are a free country with free speech, there can be no justification for allowing people to demonstrate for and demand Sharia Law, a framework which would allow many acts of violence, oppression, sexism, racism and the abandonment of religious freedoms, along with the ability to mitigate any crime by misquoting the Koran.

If you were rigid about it, you could make a case for incitement where people protest for this sort of thing.

Not really a free country with free speech then. Or is it you're free to say what you like as long as it's what we approve of?

[SpontaneousOrder]

If there was any guarantee of peace most of the western powers would be happy to reduce their armed forces

If there was a guarantee they could scrap them altogether. But I assume that your definition of 'peace' also includes selling us oil & gas at the right price, etc.

[tractor]

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Not really a free country with free speech then. Or is it you're free to say what you like as long as it's what we approve of?

Not what I said at all and I'm quite sure that you know it.

Campaigning for Sharia Law should not be allowed IMV because it is advocating many things that are currently against the law and illegal according to the social framework and humanitarian values of Europe and most western countries.

It's only my view, and you are free to disagree with it but it is quite valid without being hypocritical. It's about the old saying 'When in Rome...'

[woohoo]

To be fair, the Argies chose to invade. They chose to stay even after our intentions were made very clear - don't forget the number of weeks it took to assemble and move the task force to the South Atlantic. They chose to stay even after we arrived and they chose to fight when they could have just given up.

They just made the wrong choice.

Perhaps we should just allow countries to invade the Channel Is and just negotiate? That went well in the 1940's didn't it?

We can't dictate how others will act but we can choose our response. It was our country decision to send over a fleet of warships, we lost I think 800 people. So that is 800 peoples lives for a tiny island thousands of miles away. That's perverse to me.

Regarding the 1940's I never said we should not defend ourselves, however, there is an argument that we should have stayed out of the war. Anyway, in that war several million people lost their lives, that's perverse. Not a victory for anyone, bloody defeat for common sense.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Not what I said at all and I'm quite sure that you know it.

Campaigning for Sharia Law should not be allowed IMV because it is advocating many things that are currently against the law and illegal according to the social framework and humanitarian values of Europe and most western countries.

It's only my view, and you are free to disagree with it but it is quite valid without being hypocritical. It's about the old saying 'When in Rome...'

When in Rome... abandon freedom of speech?

[woohoo]

That is fine. I have no problem with those. But I would argue that only some of them are just like us. Sure the news and papers only report the 'newsworthy' which rarely includes what you would consider normal people so perhaps perceptions are distorted.

The fact remains that although we are a free country with free speech, there can be no justification for allowing people to demonstrate for and demand Sharia Law, a framework which would allow many acts of violence, oppression, sexism, racism and the abandonment of religious freedoms, along with the ability to mitigate any crime by misquoting the Koran.

If you were rigid about it, you could make a case for incitement where people protest for this sort of thing.

It's a tiny minority again that want this. When you start to think of people in an abstract way for example Muslims that want Sharia Law, you forget that most Muslims are just like you and me. I know a few of them, nice people. Sure there are some tulips but you could say that about any group of humans.

[SpontaneousOrder]

We can't dictate how others will act but we can choose our response. It was our country decision to send over a fleet of warships, we lost I think 800 people. So that is 800 peoples lives for a tiny island thousands of miles away. That's perverse to me.

More like 250.

[SpontaneousOrder]

So that is 800 peoples lives for a tiny island thousands of miles away. That's perverse to me.

Plus the people living there - that's worth remembering (and probably the most compelling reason to go). Not necessarily disagreeing with your point though.

[tractor]

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We can't dictate how others will act but we can choose our response. It was our country decision to send over a fleet of warships, we lost I think 800 people. So that is 800 peoples lives for a tiny island thousands of miles away. That's perverse to me.

Regarding the 1940's I never said we should not defend ourselves, however, there is an argument that we should have stayed out of the war. Anyway, in that war several million people lost their lives, that's perverse. Not a victory for anyone, bloody defeat for common sense.

Of course war is perverse. You'll get no argument from me there. It's even worse when we spend every other decade arming our future enemies a la Afghanistan. And the ridiculous thing is that we NEVER learn from it. Here we are again today arming anyone in teh middle east who agrees with us during the last 3 months.

But what price freedom?c For Europe, for the non Russian countries that made up the USSR? For the Falklands.

The middle east is different as far as I am concerned. We do not have to have their oil and my view is that no one should be involved with any of it.