Nobody on here bothered by ISIS?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

you have to understand strategy.

the big enemy is not IS, it's Syria and their evil dictator, which is why we help our friends in IS to topple or neutralise him. The strategy bit comes in when they cross the border and try to topple our friends in IRAQ. Its only then that they become evil

you need a big brain to understand this strategy malarky

This is what I said last year:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1760256

And how right I was. Imagine that Cameron was actually asking Parliament to vote through an attack on Assad! He narrowly lost that vote! Imagine how strong ISIS would be if they owned all of Syria!

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Yes, but only to the extent in doing something to help their victims, rather than whining about it on an internet forum .

What about the threat they pose here in the UK?

I feel like a broken record when I continuously warn people that Saudi are funding their Wahabi/Salafist ideology around the world which breads extremists like ISIS.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Maybe Tony could be sent in to spread a bit of peace and love?

Things can only get better!

Honestly Tony BLIAR has absolutely no shame. Even his supporters are embarrassed by him! What a complete joke.

[NotAllThere]

What about the threat they pose here in the UK?

For me, "here" isn't the UK.

I feel like a broken record when I continuously warn people that Saudi are funding their Wahabi/Salafist ideology around the world which breads extremists like ISIS.

Anyone who has any idea of what is going on the world (even you ) knows this and has known it for a long time.

[MicrosoftBob]

What about the threat they pose here in the UK?

I feel like a broken record when I continuously warn people that Saudi are funding their Wahabi/Salafist ideology around the world which breads extremists like ISIS.

I'm sure when the oil runs out, America will drop Saudi like a wet fart

[tractor]

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What about the threat they pose here in the UK?

I feel like a broken record when I continuously warn people that Saudi are funding their Wahabi/Salafist ideology around the world which breads extremists like ISIS.

Well, they all believe in Cod, just a different one.

[Mich the Tester]

I dont know. 'in groups' and 'out group' indicate a fashion
more like gangs. transient as opposed to core values

I meant in groups and out groups in the neuroscience sense as this guy was using,

The science behind Isis savagery - Telegraph

2 - Submersion in the Group

But victim becoming victimiser is not the only explanation for savagery. When the State breaks down, and with it law and order and civic society, there is only one recourse for survival – the group. Whether defined by religion, racial, political, tribal or clan – or for that matter by the brute dominance of a gang-leader – survival depends on the mutual security offered by the group.

War bonds people together in their groups and this bonding assuages some of the terrific fear and distress the individual feels when the state breaks down. It also offers self-esteem to people who feel humiliated by their loss of place and status in a relatively ordered society. To the extent that this happens, then individual and group identities partially merge and the person’s actions become as much a manifestation of the group as of the individual will. When this happens, people can do terrible things they would never have imagined doing otherwise: individual conscience has little place in an embattled, warring group, because the individual and group selves are one so long as the external threat continues. It is groups which are capable of savagery, much more than any individual alone.

You can see it in the faces of the young male Islamic State militants as they race by on their trucks, black flags waving, broad smiles on their faces, clenched fists aloft, fresh from the slaughter of infidels who would not convert to Islam. What you can see is a biochemical high from a combination of the bonding hormone oxytocin and the dominance hormone testosterone. Much more than cocaine or alcohol, these natural drugs lift mood, induce optimism and energise aggressive action on the part of the group. And because the individual identity has been submerged largely into the group identity, the individual will be much more willing to sacrifice himself in battle – or suicide bombing, for that matter. Why? – Because if I am submerged in the group, I live on in the group even if the individual “me”, dies.

When people bond together, oxytocin levels rise in their blood, but a consequence of this is a greater tendency to demonise and de-humanise the out-group. That is the paradox of selfless giving to your in-group – it makes it easier for you to anaesthetise your empathy for the out-group and to see them as objects. And doing terrible things to objects is fine because they are not human.

3 - The out-group as objects

But here is one daunting fact as we contemplate the Sunni-Shia carnage in Iraq and Syria: in-group tribalism is strengthened – and loathing for the out-group correspondingly increased – where religion defines the groups. Even when aggression against the other group is self-destructive – as we can see so tragically across the Middle East – religiously-based groups advocated a degree of aggression against their opponents which was absent in non-religiously defined groups.

[EternalOptimist]

mmm.

ok.

My philosophy remains the same. Sometimes you have to react to events, maybe take unusual or unexpected measures.
But you need a firm base that can be planned well in advance. So there is zero excuse if it isnt there. That firm base is a solid military


There are some on here who have expressed the idea in the past that 'if we are nice to them, they will be nice to us.'
Maybe seeing the tweets and the facebook and the youtube material will disabuse them of that .

[Mich the Tester]

There are some on here who have expressed the idea in the past that 'if we are nice to them, they will be nice to us.'
Maybe seeing the tweets and the facebook and the youtube material will disabuse them of that .

Well yes, and I'm not sure that their concept of 'being nice to people' is really compatible with ours. Sharp knife instead of blunt, or maybe they'll rape your kids around the corner instead of in front of your face, that kind of thing.

[SpontaneousOrder]

mmm.

ok.

My philosophy remains the same. Sometimes you have to react to events, maybe take unusual or unexpected measures.
But you need a firm base that can be planned well in advance. So there is zero excuse if it isnt there. That firm base is a solid military


There are some on here who have expressed the idea in the past that 'if we are nice to them, they will be nice to us.'
Maybe seeing the tweets and the facebook and the youtube material will disabuse them of that .

I'm not sure that being nice to them will do any good. But monsters can be, and frequently are, made.

Moreover we have a nasty habit of finding a country where these kinds of monsters lurk in the shadows, and then proceed to raze that country's civil & security institutions - leaving the monsters free to roam in the sunshine.

Making monsters & then breaking open their cages doesn't seem like a great combination.