Merged threads discussing Israel

[DodgyAgent]

So because we did it in a World War it makes it Ok for Israel to do it to a people who are upset because they occupy part of their land?

So what you are saying is that despite being recognised as a sovereign nation by the UN and just about every other state in the world Israel is not entitled to defend itself against attack? In WW2 the Allies (who let us remember declared war on germany) defended itself against Hitler by bombing innocent children. It doesn't matter how many years ago WW2 was I just want to hear from you an explanation of your view of moral equivalence

[NotAllThere]

Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire in Gaza

Obviously the international condemnation has forced Israel to face up to the fact they are nothing more than murderers. No doubt this terms will be totally unacceptable and it will be rejected, only for Israel to claim they tried, then they can get on with blowing children apart with their shiny state of the art missiles.

Here are the terms:

1. The ceasefire should begin immediately
2. There will be series of meetings in Cairo with high-level delegations from both sides.

These have been accepted by Israel. That leaves Hamas to decide whether they are acceptable or not. I can't see anything too objectionable about them, but so long as Hamas feel they get more political gain out of pictures of blown up children, they probably will reject them.

[Unix]

So what you are saying is that despite being recognised as a sovereign nation by the UN and just about every other state in the world Israel is not entitled to defend itself against attack? In WW2 the Allies (who let us remember declared war on germany) defended itself against Hitler by bombing innocent children. It doesn't matter how many years ago WW2 was I just want to hear from you an explanation of your view of moral equivalence

A better analogy is, the Germans annexe/invade a neighbouring country, that country attacks Germany then the Germans go in and slaughter innocent children. You are defending that.

[DodgyAgent]

A better analogy is, the Germans annexe/invade a neighbouring country, that country attacks Germany then the Germans go in and slaughter innocent children. You are defending that.

The Allies also slaughter innocent children whilst attacking Germany what's the difference?

[SpontaneousOrder]

The Allies also slaughter innocent children whilst attacking Germany what's the difference?

He's questioning your logic. "logic be damned!' isn't a satisfying answer.

[DodgyAgent]

He's questioning your logic. "logic be damned!' isn't a satisfying answer.

How is he questioning my logic?

[NotAllThere]

A better analogy is, the Germans annexe/invade a neighbouring country, that country attacks Germany then the Germans go in and slaughter innocent children. You are defending that.

It's a crap analogy because it ignores certain historical facts. Fairly typical of the anti-Israeli polemic that comes from these terrorist apologists - implying that Israel was the aggressor, and the poor little Hamas peeps are just trying to defend themselves. Utter bollocks.

Do you know how Israel came to get that land? Egypt, Syria and Jordan launched unprovoked attacks against Israel, with the intention of wiping Israel off the map. Israel beat them back, way across their borders. Then they withdrew to borders somewhat larger than when the attack was launched.

According to international law, holding land acquired in this way is illegal. However, Israel's response is "so invade.... oh yeah, you tried that, and it didn't work, did it?".

International law is pretty much a fairy tale anyway.

[saptastic]

Hamas have said in the past Jewish children are a legitimate target. They send rockets in from urban populated areas.
They educate their children to hate and destruct the neighbour. They send in suicide bombers for indiscriminate targets. When the conflict is out of the news, Hamas are still firing daily rockets into Israel. Unfortuantely in this ongoing conflict only one side seeks peace. Even many years ago Arafat pulled out of Clinton's agreed peace plan at the last minute. Israel sometimes use excessive force but when you have a people living next to you whose mandate is to destroy you - weakness means they would have been wiped off the map years ago. Unfortunately the main people suffering and will continue to do so is the ordinary people of Gaza, pimiarily due to Palestianian leadership.

[MicrosoftBob]

A better analogy is, the Germans annexe/invade a neighbouring country, that country attacks Germany then the Germans go in and slaughter innocent children. You are defending that.

A better analogy would be that a terrorist state attacks another soverign country firing rockets at them from civillian areas, uses civillians as human shields around it's rocket batteries and then accuses the other country of war crimes when it retaliates

[xoggoth]

How is he questioning my logic?

I have just run my logic analyser on posts by Unix and SO and it registered a zero score.