Has anybody here furloughed themselves yet?

[northernladuk]

and that's just his 'opinion'. Did you ask him to point you to the area of guidance where it said you weren't entitled?

Because his company is still getting income so his work hasn't dried up because of Covid I'd expect. The finer details of how much work it requires to collect the rent is the argument but if his company is still generating income he shouldn't need to go on Covid support. Seems reasonable.

[PerfectStorm]

Yeah if the LTD has money coming in I'd say it's not needed - especially if that money is coming in from being a landlord! Unless you can establish that the landlord themselves isn't involved in doing any work for the money (hmm, may have a point there )

[jamed]

To clear this up, and having spoken with an HMRC agent, he says I am not entitled.

The rent was the binder.

What is the main revenue in the limited company? The rental income or typically you invoicing companies for your services?

I don’t think having income coming in excludes you from the CJRS as this would then mean that most companies are excluded as they still have some income coming in.

[Scoooby]

To clear this up, and having spoken with an HMRC agent, he says I am not entitled.

The rent was the binder.

What was their comments regarding the warchest? If you didn't have the rental income but still had a significant warchest, would that have been deemed acceptable (in their opinion)?

[northernladuk]

What was their comments regarding the warchest? If you didn't have the rental income but still had a significant warchest, would that have been deemed acceptable (in their opinion)?

I don't think they would have cared. It's just the fact rent would be income which makes part of his wage.

[coolhandluke]

So you'd rather take nothing than £500 and consider yourself better off?

The £1200 or so I might be able to claim won't make a blind bit of difference to my financial position.

Then there is the moral question and also the legality, ICan I still buy training courses etc.

[northernladuk]

The £1200 or so I might be able to claim won't make a blind bit of difference to my financial position.

Then there is the moral question and also the legality, ICan I still buy training courses etc.

No. If the company is paying then its work.

If you do it out of your own pocket then it isn't of course.

[OneManBand]

What is the main revenue in the limited company? The rental income or typically you invoicing companies for your services?

I don’t think having income coming in excludes you from the CJRS as this would then mean that most companies are excluded as they still have some income coming in.

Exactly. Big companies that are furloughing staff have tens or hundreds of millions of pounds in reserve that's earning interest or dividends while their shops are shut. They are still claiming on CJRS.

The HMRC bod is probably a low-paid trainee they had to draft in.

[CheeseSlice]

No. If the company is paying then its work.

If you do it out of your own pocket then it isn't of course.

Not sure if this really differentiates between who pays, but doesn't sound like it matters.

"If your employee undertakes training

Furloughed employees can engage in training, as long as in undertaking the training the employee does not provide services to, or generate revenue for, or on behalf of their organisation or a linked or associated organisation. Furloughed employees should be encouraged to undertake training."

[PerfectStorm]

^ correct. Not generating any revenue on a course.